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Softballfanatic

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Washington Post reporting that Special Prosecutor to bring charges against George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin case.


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fhoenix

Registered: 07/23/11
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This case has been manipulated, twisted, exaggerated and media of all types fuel the fire to keep it going. All media have profitted from this and had guests, celebs, athletes, polititians, etc. chime in on it.

 

A 3-ring circus complete with clowns, donkeys and elephants.

 

A new term is coined. The OJ trial gave us the term "race card" and this one gives us "white mexican".

 

Zimmerman called, contacted and met with sean Hannity but their conversations will not be made public til aired. Hannity had the father on and aired their interview.

 

You have road signs in michigan hacked and saying "treyvon "n-word"), You have "justice for zimmerman" sprayed on side of building in ohio and many other places all over usa to counter the "justice for treyvon" ones.

You have high schools and collegers discussing the case and teachers and profesors getting involved with fund raisers to help either family and a few got fired.

 

You have the black panther party thugs putting out a bounty on zimmerman and you have the National Socialist Movement neo nazis now in sanford to make sure if whites are attacked by blacks they jump in. These 2 knucklehead groups must have a huge hardon now because this is what they both wanted--racial division, a reason to hate, a powderkeg of racial tension, and a race war in sanford looming with both in the middle of it.

And the original grand wizard of kkk is rollin around in his grave....as much as he hates blacks he is torn between white nationalist socialsts defending a half mexican....next thing you know one of them is defending obama as half white.

 

You have sanford investigators and police quitting the case, you have legal people wanting no part of it either way, and yesterday the defense lawyers dropped martin (not because they don't think he will win the case but because of how this case has taken ugly turns on each and every account and level...plus they are working for free and one stated zimmerman didnt need to ask for money for legal fees).

 

Zimmerman started a website and on it a paypal link to send him money to support him. He is in hiding and must remain so....his neighbor is probably casey anthony......and both look at the other and probably are glad they aren't in  the other  person's shoes.

 

Because of the media on all sides and opinions and this being online, radio and tv 24/7 it will not have an end that closes the book on it. If found innocent because of stand your ground--it will get ugly. If found guilty of manslaughter then his support will say it was railroaded and they wanted to avoid riots or sacrificed zimmerman or obama admin. manipulated the outcome to help their election.

Only way most people put this to rest is if some new evidence is introduced that breaks the case wide open and ends the speculation.

 

 


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sbmom1812

Registered: 03/10/09
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This is exactly what obama wants.  Divide and conquer.  That community activist and the media are doing a good job.  But how many people have been hurt and killed because of political BS using this case.  A man in gainesville fla was beatv up by a group of blacks that first said treyvon before they beat him up.  A couple of guys in Oklahoma I think killed 3 and severely injured two, because one of the guys dad was killed by a black guy.  was this caused just because of racial tension created.  Its disgusting and now there is Rev. Wright crawling out of the woodwork again.  How timely to get people all worked up more in time for the election.  Just be careful people.
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DietCoke

Registered: 08/10/09
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I don't think the President wants any of this.  Racial tensions are high again, and I think a lot of it is due to the hatred showed toward BO by the far right.  Racism is still rampant in this country, and BO is an easy target.  (Even though he's as much white as he is black.)

It's sad that the last 50 years of progress in this area are quickly going down the drain.  I personally am glad that Zimmerman is being charged.  Give him his day in court.  I'm disappointed that this case became a race issue - I always saw it as an overzealous neighborhood watch captain, who shouldn't have been carrying a weapon and who shouldn't have pursued the "stranger", especially after being told NOT to by the police, killing an unarmed teenager.  I don't give a crap what color either one of them was.  A kid is dead that should still be alive.  There are many questions, and maybe a trial will provide some answers.  That is the basis of our justice system, right?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/04/08/a-newsweek-poll-show-americans-still-divided-over-race.html


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CoachB25

Registered: 06/19/08
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Let me go on the record that this is exactly what I thought would and should happen.  IMO, the process will now be played out in court as it should be and then, we as a society will witness our judicial system at work.  Whether one agrees with or against the OJ verdict, it was our system at work.  Here we will see it again.  All one can ask for is their day in court.  I'm reminded of the mother saying that she had faith that justice will prevail.  With the special prosecutor's decision, we all gain.  I hope we all take time to see that. 

Here is what I hope doesn't happen.  I hope that folks don't go around saying that the SP made this decision because they raised cain.  IMO, this was the only decision the SP could have come up and if nothing else, it will be an indictment on the law itself.  Now, I hope that we can find an impartial jury.

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CoachB25

Registered: 06/19/08
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Originally Posted by sbmom1812
This is exactly what obama wants.  Divide and conquer.  That community activist and the media are doing a good job.  But how many people have been hurt and killed because of political BS using this case.  A man in gainesville fla was beatv up by a group of blacks that first said treyvon before they beat him up.  A couple of guys in Oklahoma I think killed 3 and severely injured two, because one of the guys dad was killed by a black guy.  was this caused just because of racial tension created.  Its disgusting and now there is Rev. Wright crawling out of the woodwork again.  How timely to get people all worked up more in time for the election.  Just be careful people.


Susan, this could not have possible happened because we were told here on this site that the activism would not lead to violence. 

What we will also be told is that we should not predict violence if Zimmerman is found innocent. 

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fhoenix

Registered: 07/23/11
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The problem is the political pinheads that make money off of political hate are blogging, talking on their radio and tv shows, etc. and are the ones influencing people to think the way they do. They manipulate, exaggerate and show things from one perspective.

 

Racism only exist in these cases if BOTH sides continue to fan the flames of hate and blame the other side for being racist (while both are).

 

Many blacks would not care if treyvon were white.....but on the flip side of the coin many people defending zimmerman wouldn't defend zimmerman if the person he shot and killed were white. As many white racial groups support zimmerman as black groups supporting treyvon. You have black and white polititians and public figures speaking out equally...depends on what you listen too, read, or tv channel you are tuned in to. Polititians, athletes, entertainers, musicians, actors, etc.

 

And it is not as if ALl media is not involved. Doesn't matter how many are on which side...you have lots of media on both sides slanting it. The degree to which they do it varies but they all did it and continue to do it and justify it by saying "they are worse"  or "they do it too" pointing at the other guys.

 

It is ridiculous to think that obama admin had anything to do with this and would benefit from it. How so? Conservative bloggers are throwing out "theories" the same way some blacks are about the zimmerman case. Makes for good reading for their followers. Same way liberal bloggers said Bush admin  manipulated events. Yea....both sides have done it.

 

What vote does obama gain from racial disharmony? He isn't getting black republicans or conservatives nor white ones. He needs white voters in the middle, the biggest group to go get, so how does this help him? And this is 2012 with thousands of online, radio, publication, and tv political discussion so it never stops and nothing...absolutely nothing obama and romney have done or didnt get accomplished will go under the radar...and other stuff will be exaggerated and out there. So this incident does not draw attention away from anything. You can rread about this incident and a minute later read about healtchare, jobs, debt, etc.

 

This incident does not benefit any polititian or political party except to say it benefits the other party. Racial tension does not benefit anyone except people who get paid to stir the pot.

 

 

Rev. wright is disgusting and so is michelle malkin and her bringing articles and posting links from white racist sites. Both suck. Both have audience and followers.

 

 

 


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fhoenix

Registered: 07/23/11
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***Live***

Zimmerman chardged with 2nd degree murder and is in custody.

 

I still believe that the worse he will get is involuntary manslaughter or even found not guilty.


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Dewey

Registered: 08/08/04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachB25
Susan, this could not have possible happened because we were told here on this site that the activism would not lead to violence. 
 What we will also be told is that we should not predict violence if Zimmerman is found innocent. 


Are we going down this road again?  Actually, I said violence should not be blamed on those excising their right to organize and express.  I countered your fears by suggesting, according to your way of thinking, the calling of our black civil rights leaders as evil and dangerous could lead to violence too.  Next thing you know we have a couple of white guys in a truck randomly shooting Black residents in Tulsa.  I know, I can't connect a straight line from the name calling to the shootings and wrap up this conclusion in a nice red bow, but I do think racism was at play in Tulsa.  Racism?  Why in the world does racial animosity continue in this great land and continue to help fuel these tragic events?

Some may suggest racial bias is promoted by the fact some white people believe you can call black leaders evil and dangerous without any potential consequences but if black people protest an injustice, they're inciting violence.  In other words, minorities cannot exercise their rights appropriately.  Others may suggest racial bias is promoted by the fact some white people feel they are capable of predicting how black people will act. These concerns have merit and ought to be given serious thought.  I myself wondered out loud why Sandusky didn't have these many defenders like Zimmerman? 

We don't try to predict riots following sporting events or hold an entire community responsible for the actions of a few.  If your predictions are wrong, you've accomplished little more than offending a community.  If your predictions are correct, it could be nothing more than a handful of troublemakers looking to create havoc in order to steal some loot.  In any event, I don't see how these so called warnings or predictions moves the ball forward at all.  But that's just my opinion.     
bluedog

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Beware of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton parading around as reverends........They are liars and the master of lies is Satan.....Lying is evil....

Dewey

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You know, kind of like that.  Ball probably rolled backwards if anything.

bluedog

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Dewey, you are quick to use the word, "racist"......Well, can you define "racist"?

bluedog

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Dewey

Registered: 08/08/04
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bluedog - I never used the word racist.  I gave examples of what some might see as promoting a racial bias in this Country or increasing racial animosity.  As for your specific comments, I'm suggesting they do no good whatsoever towards improving racial relations, or as I called it, moving the ball forward.

bhblue

Registered: 05/15/08
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Originally Posted by Dewey
  I myself wondered out loud why Sandusky didn't have these many defenders like Zimmerman?     

Dewey - I find this comment, let's just say, "interesting". I see very little similarities in the two.  Although Sandusky did have some defenders.  Turns out they were just as misguided and uninformed as Zimmerman's defenders AND detractors.  Hopefully the relative truth will come out of the trial and this whole thing can become what it ultimately will; yesterday's news.  Sad but true IMO.

bluedog

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OK, Dewey, it was a tough question......Now, when a black person calls the two false teaching reverends evil liars, well, is he promoting a racial bias, also?

Dewey

Registered: 08/08/04
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bhblue - You're correct.  Very few similarities.  I'm just curious why some found the urge to come to the defense of this particular individual.  As you say, interesting.

bluedog - That's about the fourth or fifth time you found a need to make your comment.  I think maybe it's time you explain what you're promoting.  How many times must it be repeated before you find it nonconstructive?

bluedog

Registered: 02/13/05
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Very well, Dewey, I will.....It was a quite tough question, also....These questions seem unanswerable 'cause they really are....The truth is, there's only one race - the human race....Now, did you not read awhile back what I said about the reverend Pat Robertson?....Should tell you something about my dislike of human, lying, false teaching reverends... 

bluedog

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A long time ago there was a sale of slaves in New Orleans....The strongest male slave was on the block for sale.....He told everyone he would not work....A wealthy landowner paid a record price for this slave....When the buyer was taking off the slave's ankle chains, the slave bent down and told him he wasted his money 'cause he will refuse to work...The buyer told him he didn't buy him to work, but to set him free and that he had a safe place to stay with him for as long as he wanted.......The, now free man, picked up the landowner by the shoulders and told him he would work for him for the rest of his life.....

CoachB25

Registered: 06/19/08
Posts: 1,193
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Dewey, I have a response but due to my better judgement won't post it.  Did you see some of the news conferences today?


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fhoenix

Registered: 07/23/11
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Any of them that mix religion and politics I see as false and merely Politico preachers---religious leaders that want to change the world through grassroots political movements and pithy bumper stickers. They have voter guides distributed with the church bulletin.

 

Alot of them, of all faiths and races, are false teaching and use religion to bolster their image. Why? Because too many people are willing to believe what they are told and are easily manipulated. Lots of lemmings out there. Religion is big money. Add it to your resume or use it in your political based speeches.

 

And people follow those that think simular and condem those that are not like them or disagree. They excuse the shortcomings of those they like while pointing the fingers at those they don't.

 

Jimmy "I have sinned" swaggert was attacking Marvin gorman and jim and tammy fae when his own dirt came out as well as theirs.

And pat robertson, mike huckabee, jesse jackson, jerry falwell and others dipped into politcs including some of them making runs towards the white house. When religious radio, tv, and online shows remove politics and race we can tell everyone else to do the same. Until then gloria alred will rep women and jesse jackson will rep blacks and Rush will rep conservative white men (I did like the wally george show however).

 

 


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Dewey

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CoachB - Lakers, Clippers, and Angels are all on TV so haven't seen much coverage.  I did swing by Hannity and I now see what phase II is...overcharged.  I suppose we can line up on both sides of this too.  Not!  I'm about done with this and will likely never fully understand why this issue divided among party lines.  Uh oh, Angels are trailing.  (Never mind, 3 run inside the parker puts Angels back up).

bhblue

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Dewey - I believe some of the first to "defend" him did so as a knee jerk response to the response from some of the self-proclaimed defenders of the African American community.  We both know what two wrongs don't make.  I believe that the more objective "defenders", like the former head of the NAACP, were not so much defending him as calling for cooler heads until more facts came out. 

 

While my opinion doesn't have the religious angle as bluedog's, I believe that the two "reverends" do very little towards your "moving the ball forward".  The Duke lacrosse players are still waiting for their apology, as are the citizens of Jena, La.

vol52

Registered: 02/27/05
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"Jimmy "I have sinned" swaggert was attacking Marvin gorman and jim and tammy fae when his own dirt came out as well as theirs.

And pat robertson, mike huckabee, jesse jackson, jerry falwell and others dipped into politcs including some of them making runs towards the white house."

 

fhoenix,

 

I see little reason to align Mike Huckabee with the other names you mentioned.  He is a former minister who was a successful governor. Why not run for president?  He doesn't go around soliciting funds or tacking the title "Reverend" on his name. He doesn't seem to have an agenda that constantly stirs the pot. The few times I have watched his show he treats the guests with courtesy and civility.  I'm not sure that I would vote for him if he ran again, but I certainly know that I could do worse.  And, he plays a pretty decent bass guitar!  Wonder if he and Clinton ever jammed together....

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vol52

Registered: 02/27/05
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bluedog,

 

I like your story. I just don't see how it fits into the discussion.  Perhaps you can enlighten me.

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fhoenix

Registered: 07/23/11
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I put huckabee in the second group, in a seperate sentence, not with swaggert and the 80s drama. He is as an example that you can believe in and support someone that others do not or that others have problems with. I like huckabee but he is deep in politics, has his own political show on fox and is a fox political analyst. I don't care if someone has reverend or doctor in their title unless the doctor is a medical doctor and the reverend is not involved whatsoever with politics or the internet.


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Dewey

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bhblue - I guess I have two comments.  Do the evil and dangerous labels, as well as the prediction of riots, fall under your two wrongs don't make a right case?  Finally, what wrongs did the two Reverends do in this particular instance?  Is there something specific I missed?

PS:  I respect your right to your opinion regarding the two Reverends.  Repeat it another half dozen times and, to me, it will become less of an opinion and more of a provocation.  I could be wrong to feel that way but, in any event, I hope this clarifies my perspective a bit.  Thanks. 
Dewey

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Quote:
Originally Posted by vol52

bluedog,

I like your story. I just don't see how it fits into the discussion.  Perhaps you can enlighten me.

I thought it was a case of two men standing their ground against an injustice.  Admirable.

bhblue

Registered: 05/15/08
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Dewey - Firstly, three or more wrongs don't make a right either.  Secondly, they wronged by rushing to judgement.  The biggest injustictice is the reason, IMO, they did this; to keep themselves relevant.  Their act is "tired" in my opinion.  Do you feel they keep the ball moving forward? Realy?

 

As to your other comment, do your feel your repetition of the same questions is provocation or opinion?  I hope this clarifies MY perspective.

rocklifter

Registered: 09/25/04
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So many things to state and disagree with......
Where to start?


Ok thought about it....
Perilous times as this require extreme measures.


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