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mikec

Registered: 08/13/09
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I saw an interview last night with Anderson Cooper. In response to the bounty,the guy said "you kill one of ours, we kill one of yours". He also said he does not follow the laws of the US, because they have been responsible for "the deaths of millions of black men". And, he added, that "street law" would step in and take care of things.

This raises a few things for me:
1) why is this man not arrested for inciting violence?
2) where is the condemnation from black leaders?
3) why doesnt Holder or the President have anything to say about this?
4) what happens when there is black-on-white random retaliatory violence, as I am sure there will be?
5) what sort of outcry would there be if a white group called for the lynching and killing of a black man?

This is despicable, and someone needs to step up and confront it, before this leads to random violence.
Lovemesomesoftball

Registered: 06/04/06
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Originally Posted by mikec
I saw an interview last night with Anderson Cooper. In response to the bounty,the guy said "you kill one of ours, we kill one of yours". He also said he does not follow the laws of the US, because they have been responsible for "the deaths of millions of black men". And, he added, that "street law" would step in and take care of things.

This raises a few things for me:
1) why is this man not arrested for inciting violence?
He will be arrested for something other than stupidity in the near future
2) where is the condemnation from black leaders?
Martin Luther King was killed in 1968
3) why doesn't Holder or the President have anything to say about this?
If the new BPP is anything like the old BPP the FBI has already infiltrated. If Obama handles it like he handled knocking off terrorists, the other side will note the arrest came at an opportune time for the president.
4) what happens when there is black-on-white random retaliatory violence, as I am sure there will be?
Mikec... my dad always told me to counter hate with love. I thought about this last night ....there are steps in accepting death and one of the first is anger. It time to move pass anger and if I had an opportunity to help the parents move pas the stage of anger what would I do? If I could help the crowds get through anger ...how would I accomplish this. So I have been thinking what can I organize that would help others to move forward.

Before someone counters with The new BPP wants to kill and my idea is lame. Let me say this...misery loves company. Some people have hate in their heart.  Happiness occurs when they can bring others down to their level. When others don't join they slither away.  I ask you and anybody else for suggestion  regular citizens can do.
5) what sort of outcry would there be if a white group called for the lynching and killing of a black man? Like when the KKK or Aryan Brotherhood do it?

This is despicable, and someone needs to step up and confront it, before this leads to random violence.
JoiseyGuy

Registered: 08/10/04
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Griz - From what I sense, there are several different reports of what happened, and each group chooses to report their version of "the truth" which best fits their predetermined emotional view of the incident.  This is fanned by the sensationalist media.  Unfortunately, I see these interpretations generally falling into racial divides instead of human divides, and this could result in a backward movement from racial equality.  I regard this as a very sad situation for my nation.  When we regard differences instead of samenesses as what is most important, we all lose, and this incident has become one that emphasizes differences in race and cultures.  So sad for such a great nation.     Frank   
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mikec

Registered: 08/13/09
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My DD was just telling me it is causing racial angst on her campus, as protesters are pushing everyone to join the protest. One of her black friends told her she needed to join the rally, and she replied that she us waiting to see how it plays out. That friend (now ex-friend), and several others, called her a racist, and told her she was a bigot.

That is what this sensationalizing is doing, and it is the worst kind of sad.
Dewey

Registered: 08/08/04
Posts: 16,399
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mikec - I've had members from the opposing political party tell me if I don't adopt their views, I'm ruining the Country.  Unfortunately, some people are too extreme to accept the opinions of others, and I feel bad for your daughter. 

Grizzly - Sometimes you have to do a bit of prodding, (ask the Tea Party), to help the system work.
bhblue

Registered: 05/15/08
Posts: 1,186
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyFan

When asked where the condemnation is from black leaders her response is that Martin Luther King was assassinated. Wow! So that makes it ok to exploit this situation I guess. 

 

LMSS can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think her point was that he was the last true black leader.

Dewey

Registered: 08/08/04
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Juan Williams blasted the BPP.  This group doesn't deserve to be in the conversation.

mikec

Registered: 08/13/09
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Dewey - trust me, I've had people from my own party tell me my views are ruining the country, much less the other party!

The thing My DD was floored by was the you're with us or you're a racist attitude. She may be alot of things, but racist is not one of them.
sbmom1812

Registered: 03/10/09
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Grizz, that was my whole point too.
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Dewey

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mikec - Did you read the thread where the mom said her daughter is being treated poorly by some of her teammates?  Did that change how most of us feel about softball players overall?  Not at all.  My point was to caution against blaming other individuals for the poor behavior of a few.

fhoenix

Registered: 07/23/11
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"Every" opportunist (including many posting here on the topic) exploit the situation for their own agenda. And the reason LMSS answered that martin luther king jr., was assassinated is because there are no black leaders today. Being black and speaking publically doesn't make you a leader of black people in america no more than glen beck is a leader of all whites in america or Gloria alred is the leader of al women in america....they are people that defend a specific group of people but they are not leaders nor seen as such by majority.

 

Stop the protests, stop the racsim, stop the threats, stop bringing up Reagan and founding fathers, move past ancient history and let the system work. Sounds good but americans didn't like the system originally and broke off from england via war. The south tried to break off from usa via war to maintain their way of life and status quo. Civil rights protests and women's suffrage followed. Work hours, child labor laws, non-discrimnatory hiring, and minimum wage. Seems in our past no one sat back and let the system work. And in the old days blacks were killed all the time and the system favored whites. The same system that had blacks in back of bus, seperate places to eat, seperate water fountains, seperate schools, seperate doctors, and if a black on white crime was reported (not even verified- just reported) the black would be arrested post haste (hopefully before a lynch mob got him) and most didnt survive jail after that.

 

Nothing is fair and balanced, even steven. Never has been.

Not media, not polititians, not the system, not people. So we will always have protests and complaints. Ask a native americans how people can come to their country and "discover" it, then slaughter half of them as new americans move west ,then stick the rest that didnt escape to canada on reservations. And we glorified it with cowboy vs indian movies, books, etc.

Today we have people that fan the flames of division and hate..they get paid for it on tv, radio, online, and print. They gripe to gripe...they get others to gripe..and they want others to agree with their gripes. They gripe about other people griping too. Smh


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Lovemesomesoftball

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bhblue
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyFan
When asked where the condemnation is from black leaders her response is that Martin Luther King was assassinated. Wow! So that makes it ok to exploit this situation I guess. 


LMSS can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think her point was that he was the last true black leader.

That is exactly what was meant. Grizzly sorry about that I typed that one too fast and you just missed it I guess.

Softballfanatic

Registered: 11/16/07
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Just asking, but why isn't the President or Attorney General viewed as a leader?


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Lovemesomesoftball

Registered: 06/04/06
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mikec and Joisey, that is my whole point. Nobody seems content to let the justice system do their job. We have too many opportunist who want to exploit the situation for their own agenda.
That is the problem I have with LMSS when she provides a list of blacks from the 1950's who were killed without someone being arrested as if it justifies condemning Zimmerman without a trial. When asked where the condemnation is from black leaders her response is that Martin Luther King was assassinated. Wow! So that makes it ok to exploit this situation I guess.
Stop the protests, stop the cries of racism, stop the threats, stop bringing up injustices from the 1950's, move past the ancient history and let the justice system work.  


I started with the 50s....and was updating. Woody asked for more recent and  I stopped updating in that entry and made another post. I am sure you saw it but refrencing it wouldn't support your conclusion. Why do you live in half truths?

As for condemning without out trial.....most of the protest are asking that he stands trial. Why is it so hard for you to understand the investigation stopped the day after the shooting. It started again after the story was brought to national attention. Seriously didn't know >60 was that bad off. You should talk to Daniel Keyes about Charlie.....
Lovemesomesoftball

Registered: 06/04/06
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Originally Posted by Softballfanatic
Just asking, but why isn't the President or Attorney General viewed as a leader?



No they are in power. That is a difference.
mikec

Registered: 08/13/09
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LMSS - what if he didn't beak the law? Why should he be arrested?
sbmom1812

Registered: 03/10/09
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LMSS - heard today that the prosecuters said they didnt think there was enough to prosecute.
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Lovemesomesoftball

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Originally Posted by mikec
LMSS - what if he didn't beak the law? Why should he be arrested?


That is what the trial is for. It is not the police job to say if a person is innocent or guilty. They ares suppose to collect information. The DA reviews it and sees if they can go to trial.

Casey Anthony had a trial. Her peers said she was not guilty after listening to the evidence ( or lack of there).

Zimmerman should be arrested because he admitted to shooting Trayvon Martin. A few weeks back I posted an article of a young mother who killed one person attempting to enter her residence in Oklahoma. She called the 911 operator and explain what was happening and the operator let her know if the persson came in her home she can do whatever she needed to do to protect her baby. Two tried to enter. One was killed. The other escaped but was later questioned and admitted to try to break in her home. Oklahoma has the "stand your ground" law.

She was not arrested because the investigation clearly showed she had the right to shot the suspect under the "stand your ground" law.

The Zimmerman case is different. The 911 tapes show Zimmerman was not in danger when he called 911. He created a dangerous situation by tracking Martin.

The stand your ground law does not protect individuals who create the situatation according to the author of the law.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57401619-504083/author-of-stand-your-ground-law-george-zimmerman-should-probably-be-arrested-for-killing-trayvon-martin/

Now the defense can try to expand the reach of the law in court. That is where the fight or discussion should be and the prosecuters should and probably will say Trayvon applied the law as he felt his life was in danger as unknown man followed him throughout the complex and got out the car.

The jury should be the one to decide if it was reasonable for Zimmerman to fear for his life and was his actions appropriate for the situation.


mikec

Registered: 08/13/09
Posts: 2,407
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Agree, almost.

The police provide info to the DA. That has happened. The DA decides if he can win a case. That is going on now. The guy has to be indicted to be put in jail.

If it gets through all that, then a jury gets it. It may or may not make it that far.

BTW - that article is irrelevant. They, nor most of us, knew 5 days ago what we know now.
Lovemesomesoftball

Registered: 06/04/06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikec
Agree, almost.

The police provide info to the DA. That has happened. The DA decides if he can win a case. That is going on now. The guy has to be indicted to be put in jail.

If it gets through all that, then a jury gets it. It may or may not make it that far.

BTW - that article is irrelevant. They, nor most of us, knew 5 days ago what we know now.


Sorry wrong link...thought original link was the author. It has been corrected. Only linking for the authors views of his law although it is a few days old.

Here is something for you and anyone else:
Say on fall day in Florida.....a guy goes to his restaurant and pends a hectic morning there prior to leaving. He has money to deposit but it is late and the bank closed at 1. He will use the ATM.

As he arrives to the ATM a man much larger than him exits his car. He followed by a friend. he hears the large man say  "are going to kill you" which causes the restaurant owner to reach in his waistband, shoot and kill the larger guy.

When the Police arrive they talk to the restaurant owner. He is wearing a Florida State shirt. He forgot he was rearing it. The workers at the restaurant wear sports shirts on football Saturday. He slid it over his button down shirt and never took it off.

The larger man was a South Carolina fan. He and his friend were getting money from the ATM before watching the Florida St. v South Carolina game later that afternoon. His friend tells police they were walking to the ATM, his friend said "Gamecocks, are going to kill you"

what happens next?
Lovemesomesoftball

Registered: 06/04/06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sbmom1812
LMSS - heard today that the prosecuters said they didnt think there was enough to prosecute.

The Grand Jury still hears the case April 10th according to the information I read......
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-case-special-prosecutor-pleads-for-patience-20120327,0,1949206.story?track=rss

but the case has difficulties according to the Special Prosecutor.

Since this is a popular thread and dealing with murder. I would like to ask for your help...
Terry Dolowy was a senior when I was a freshman at Oak Park River Forest High School. We were on the basketball team together. She was killed in 1985 in Wisconsin. It is a cold case but somebody has to know something about it. Maybe not you but somebody else...I don't know how one says...hey I am sending you a link of a 1985 cold case but maybe if more people know about it Terry's murderer(s) will be arrested. Terry's dad has already died not knowing who killed his daughter. Her mother is up there in age. I can not recall a moment I saw Terry without a smile on her face.

http://lacrossetribune.com/news/local/article_7bf708a8-fa0e-11e0-b387-001cc4c03286.html




mikec

Registered: 08/13/09
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That's a terrible story, and I hope her killer is caught. What happened to that girl is unthinkable. Sorry that you lost a friend that way.
sbmom1812

Registered: 03/10/09
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Supposedly from what I got in the media because of historical issues in community the police brought initial findings in front of local prosecuting atty and they said not enough to prosecute.  So they did all the initial steps if what I heard is accurate.  Also heard local prosecutor has temporary stepped down just like police chief.
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sbmom1812

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LMSS - I am very sorry about your friend.  I do hope for justice.  
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bluedog

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http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/03/new-black-panther-leader-trayvon-martin-bounty-arrested

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