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Stephen

Registered: 06/26/08
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Originally Posted by TruDat
Softballguy10, well said. JT guarantees this team is favored to win every game they play. Not too hard to perform when that is presented to the other 8. Take her off the mound and Murphy is just another good coach.


LOL.  Alabama was in no way favored to win the WCWS last year, and it was "the other 8" who rallied from behind against the national player of the year.
StringerBell

Registered: 12/24/05
Posts: 438
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Agree all that speed is great.  However, remember the pitcher in the circle will determine how far you go.  If you put JT on any of about 7 or 8 teams in the SEC they become the favorite to win.  If you take any of the other 8 and put them on another team, they become just another good player.  Just be real when looking at things. There are many good players in the SEC and surrounding but there are very few exceptional pitchers.  I would step out and say Bama may not have the best 8 this year, but will have the best 9.  Missouri our newest member is crossing their fingers Thomas stays healthy.  With her they are Series contenders.  Without her they are just another good team.  Starts and ends with pitching. 


If JT was the pitcher at Auburn, Mississippi State, Arkansas, Ole Miss, or Kentucky, I am quite confidant in saying none of these teams would be the favorite! Pitching is important. Scoring is MORE important; ask Cat Osterman! She was the best pitcher in college softball, and Texas wasn't the favorite in every game.

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TruDat

Registered: 06/07/10
Posts: 320
Reply with quote  #3003 
Stringer, so you are saying Murphy isn't the best recruiter because he has to "coach them up" and beat more talented teams. Teams that are more talented because the other coach out recruited him.
bamanetny

Registered: 06/09/11
Posts: 417
Reply with quote  #3004 
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Originally Posted by TruDat
Stringer, so you are saying Murphy isn't the best recruiter because he has to "coach them up" and beat more talented teams. Teams that are more talented because the other coach out recruited him.


I don't think that's what being said at all. Murph gets top kids every year (ESPN #1 player last year). The difference is that Bama coaches don't just look at talent level. They also consider who will mesh the best with Bama's team. That's also part of being of a good recruiter. The girls themselves acknowledged this after winning the championship. There's more to being a great coach than the ability to read statistics.
TruDat

Registered: 06/07/10
Posts: 320
Reply with quote  #3005 
Everybody's complimentary after winning a championship. Stringer mentioned that Murphy beats more talented teams all the time. My question is why are they more talented? So now you say he goes after girls who "mesh" best. Come on, really? Take that pitcher away and he has a good team. Just like Monica Abbott leaving Tennessee. They are still good but not great.
Stephen

Registered: 06/26/08
Posts: 1,524
Reply with quote  #3006 
Way to set up a "have you stopped beating your wife?" argument.  Yet another newbie not worth having a discussion with.
bluedog

Registered: 02/13/05
Posts: 4,697
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They also consider who will mesh the best with Bama's team.


Absolutely, good coaches do this...The rest don't!
softballguy10

Registered: 10/18/10
Posts: 82
Reply with quote  #3008 
I am a Bama fan but to say he recruits only kids who mesh is not even thinkable.  When the Yankees when they mesh when they lose they have problems in the clubhouse (same players) .  Same with every professional team.  If you are telling me he knows these incoming kids so well that he knows they will mesh with the kids he has I am not buying that.

The other teams you indicate would not win it all with JT would certainly like the chance to try.  Put JT on those teams and LJ in the circle for Bama and I am taking JT team every game. Does not mean they will win but the betting line would be in her favor. 

Bama kids are good and JT makes them great.  Cudos to PM for recruiting her, but thanks to him, Bama sells itself. 
StringerBell

Registered: 12/24/05
Posts: 438
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No, I am not. I think Murph is a GREAT recruiter. He is able to see things in kids that fit his program. Are they all the fastest? No. Greatest hitters? No. Best defensively? No. Can they play in one of the top conferences and be consistently succesfull year in and year out? Oh yes! Look at the recruiting rankings in the last few years. In the SEC, Florida, Tennessee, and Georgia are consistently mentioned as having the top recruiting classes. So, why is Alabama winning the conference title the last 3 years? It isn't because the talent is greater than the coaching. Alabama wins because they recruit the right players; not all of the "top players". And this isn't meant as a knock on the UA kids but, the two most talented teams in OKC were OU and ASU. And I ask again, who won? The team with great coaching and athletic talent to execute what they had been taught!
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bluedog

Registered: 02/13/05
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It definitely is about recruiting the right players...Good coaches always do this....There are some good players they simply don't recruit 'cause it won't be a good fit .....Now, not all coaches do this...Just the few good coaches...
Stephen

Registered: 06/26/08
Posts: 1,524
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Originally Posted by softballguy10
I am a Bama fan but to say he recruits only kids who mesh is not even thinkable.  When the Yankees when they mesh when they lose they have problems in the clubhouse (same players) .  Same with every professional team.  If you are telling me he knows these incoming kids so well that he knows they will mesh with the kids he has I am not buying that.


OK Mr Bama fan, can you tell us about a time that an Alabama team was losing because of problems in the clubhouse?

Does he absolutely know that every kid will mesh?  No, that is not possible for anyone to do.  Does he put an emphasis on identifying characteristics that will make it more likely that they will do so?  Absolutely.  Does he have his program set up so that the kids he brings in are more likely to mesh.  Absolutely.  If you could not see that in the team, then you are completely blind to it.
bamanetny

Registered: 06/09/11
Posts: 417
Reply with quote  #3012 
I think something being overlooked here is that the staff and the players both acknowledged that Murph recruits great players, but tries really hard to make sure these ladies fit well with the team and has passed on top players that won't fit in well. If someone claims that this isn't true, then I would really have to question how much of fan he/she really is. Nick Saban does the same thing in football and we know how that's worked out for him.
softballguy10

Registered: 10/18/10
Posts: 82
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Really? He has passed on top p.ayers who would not fit in? And who would have any proof of this? Being proud and happy is one thing but saying this has no merit. Even worse is saying Saban does the same thing. You have to be kidding. Give me a five star player and who cares I can win games. Give me a bunch of great kids who are three stars and I am out of a job. Be real is all I am saying.

Agree 100% he has set up the culture to take care of players that come in it to say he knows all about them before they get there is giving too much credit. He does many things great but don't make him out to be the almighty. He would take the most talented kids every year if they would sign and hope to make it work just like every other coach would.
JoiseyGuy

Registered: 08/10/04
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I think it's fair to say that many coaches consider compatibility as one of several attributes of a player being recruited.  No coach wants to recruit a player who has a record of being a team cancer on spikes.  Then again, no coach wants to recruit a kid who comes with parental baggage, but if the kid can really play, there are ways to change attitudes and to assimilate.  Old and familiar adage - "Men have to win to be happy; women have to be happy to win".  Good programs do work with various tactics  to create an environment that fosters happy women who can play. In my opinion, Pat Murphy's Bama group does an exceptional job of creating and fostering this type atmosphere.     Frank
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Stephen

Registered: 06/26/08
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Originally Posted by softballguy10
Really? He has passed on top p.ayers who would not fit in? And who would have any proof of this? Being proud and happy is one thing but saying this has no merit


Hey genius, let's turn it around on you.  Where is your proof and why does what you say have merit?  You are making one of the lamest arguments I have seen on here, right up there with SECsoftbalDad.  Of course, your posting history shows that you know very little about the program, but you do like to take shots at the coach.  So, let's see your proof, since you are the one trying to make the case, but has shown no credibility.
bluedog

Registered: 02/13/05
Posts: 4,697
Reply with quote  #3016 
Softballguy, you may be just trying to argue for argue's sake, I don't know....Just know that some people are actually, and have been, involved in the recruiting process that you can learn from...However, if you insist on arguing with 'em, oh well.....You may stay illiterate about the recruiting process if you so choose....
Stephen

Registered: 06/26/08
Posts: 1,524
Reply with quote  #3017 
Those of you who could not make it to the games today missed The Haylie McCleney Show again.  Seven hits on the day, including 2 grand slams in game 1.  Really like how Leslie Jury is looking right now.
bamanetny

Registered: 06/09/11
Posts: 417
Reply with quote  #3018 
My goodness, McCleney is amazing! I have really enjoyed watching her play. Agree about LJ too. She was bringing it today as well as last weekend.
BAMASportzLuvr

Registered: 05/26/12
Posts: 142
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Super news. Unfortunately I did not make the effort to be there.
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bama18

Registered: 04/22/09
Posts: 645
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Agree about LJ too


I sure hope she is getting better every day.. It will be so nice to have a solid #2

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Stephen

Registered: 06/26/08
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With the signing period coming up, it is a good time to update the commitment list.  Here is what I know of....

2013 - Chandler Dare, Peyton Grantham, Sydney Littlejohn, Marissa Runyon

2014 - Miranda Grotenhuis, Ashleigh Hughes, Alexis Osorio, Carrigan Fain, Demi Turner? (have not been able to get confirmation of this one)

2015 - Mari Cranek

That would be 3 from Alabama, 3 from Texas (4 with Turner), 1 from South Carolina, and 2 from California.

Chime in if you have heard of any others.
BamaHoHo

Registered: 05/19/08
Posts: 508
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Fall Schedule

OCT 20

vs. Northwestern State double header beginning at NOON

OCT 21

vs. Anderson University double header beginning at NOON

OCT 28

vs. Tennessee State double header beginning at 1PM

NOV 8

vs. Shelton State one game at 6PM



Shelton State game canceled.  Instead we will have a scrimmage game starting around 3:45. 

 

No charge.

Stephen

Registered: 06/26/08
Posts: 1,524
Reply with quote  #3023 
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Originally Posted by Stephen
With the signing period coming up, it is a good time to update the commitment list.  Here is what I know of....

2013 - Chandler Dare, Peyton Grantham, Sydney Littlejohn, Marissa Runyon

2014 - Miranda Grotenhuis, Ashleigh Hughes, Alexis Osorio, Carrigan Fain, Demi Turner? (have not been able to get confirmation of this one)

2015 - Mari Cranek

That would be 3 from Alabama, 3 from Texas (4 with Turner), 1 from South Carolina, and 2 from California.

Chime in if you have heard of any others.


Adding a 2015 - Caroline Hardy from Vestavia Hills
Stephen

Registered: 06/26/08
Posts: 1,524
Reply with quote  #3024 
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Originally Posted by Stephen
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen
With the signing period coming up, it is a good time to update the commitment list.  Here is what I know of....

2013 - Chandler Dare, Peyton Grantham, Sydney Littlejohn, Marissa Runyon

2014 - Miranda Grotenhuis, Ashleigh Hughes, Alexis Osorio, Carrigan Fain, Demi Turner? (have not been able to get confirmation of this one)

2015 - Mari Cranek

That would be 3 from Alabama, 3 from Texas (4 with Turner), 1 from South Carolina, and 2 from California.

Chime in if you have heard of any others.


Adding a 2015 - Caroline Hardy from Vestavia Hills


Add another 2015 - Reagan Dykes from Hattiesburg MS
bama18

Registered: 04/22/09
Posts: 645
Reply with quote  #3025 
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Hattiesburg MS


Have we ever had a kid from Mississippi before? I can't remember anyone. 

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Stephen

Registered: 06/26/08
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Reply with quote  #3026 
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Hattiesburg MS


Have we ever had a kid from Mississippi before? I can't remember anyone. 


Amber Zugg has been the only one.
BamaHoHo

Registered: 05/19/08
Posts: 508
Reply with quote  #3027 
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Originally Posted by bama18
Quote:
Hattiesburg MS


Have we ever had a kid from Mississippi before? I can't remember anyone. 


Reagan Dykes? I think she has committed to us.
Stephen

Registered: 06/26/08
Posts: 1,524
Reply with quote  #3028 
Quote:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bama18
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Hattiesburg MS


Have we ever had a kid from Mississippi before? I can't remember anyone. 
Reagan Dykes? I think she has committed to us.


BamaHoHo

Registered: 05/19/08
Posts: 508
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http://www.goldfastpitch.com/verbals/

NamePos.YearSchoolTravel
Dare, ChandlerUT

2013

AlabamaTennessee Fury
Grantham, PeytonSS

2013

Alabama 
Littlejohn, SydneyP

2013

AlabamaTexas Glory Gold
Runyon, MarissaSS

2013

AlabamaNC Lady Lightning Gold
Cranek, MariOF

2014

AlabamaMagic Gold
Fain, CarriganC/3B

2014

AlabamaNC Lady Lightning Gold
Grotenhuis, MirandaC/3B

2014

AlabamaTexas Impact
Osorio, AlexisP

2014

AlabamaCorona Angels
Dykes, ReaganC

2015

AlabamaGermantown Red Devils
Hardy, Caroline1B/C

2015

AlabamaTennessee Fury
Stephen

Registered: 06/26/08
Posts: 1,524
Reply with quote  #3030 
BamaHoHo, read up in the thread.
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