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midwestfp

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Now, I DO think there should be a component of RPI for home, neutral and road performance.



You see??  NOW we are getting somewhere.  The first step is admitting that there is a grossly unfair system in place.  Once we admit that, we can start finding solutions.  The suggestion above is a good place to start.    
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The Big Ten's performance in the NCAA postseason shows that it is NOT 'grossly' unfair.

If anything, playing in a conference with only two functional teams allows Minnesota to give Groenewegen as much rest as is needed, while the SEC and Pac teams cannot
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Gophers played 57 games in 2016.  Only ten of those were at home.  Alabama (just picked one SEC school at random) played 30 (!) home games in 2016.  Name another sport where this type of disparity exists.  It is grotesquly unfair, and you know it.   


31 home games and 32 non-home games. I'm confused why this is our issue and we need to adjust? I mean I'm sure the football team plays only 50% of their games at home, right? I mean I know it's not quite Minnesota but didn't Bama just 2 or 3 years ago make it to Iowa for a tournament during pre-season?

Keep in mind Bama baseball had 31 home games to 27 road games. So ...
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Gophers played 57 games in 2016.  Only ten of those were at home.  Alabama (just picked one SEC school at random) played 30 (!) home games in 2016.  Name another sport where this type of disparity exists.  It is grotesquly unfair, and you know it.   


Yes, it disadvantages northern schools, in that they are forced to go on the road early in the season. Washington had 16 home, 14 road, and 23 neutral games last season. The Pac-12, by the way, does play an imbalanced schedule, with either 12/9 or 9/12 home/road games. Last season, UW actually played 12 home and 5 road games in the Pac-12, with four road rainouts at UCLA, Arizona St (2), and Oregon St., and none in (the supposedly "wet") Seattle.

In baseball, they reward road victories and punish home losses in RPI, but justify it due not to the imbalanced home/away schedules, but to more home matches canceled due to weather (on top of imbalanced schedules). Softball is less prone to weather cancellations, due to playing fewer innings and with a softer ball (improving grip). I do think RPI-weighting of road/home games for softball might happen someday, but so far hasn't.
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Keep in mind Bama baseball had 31 home games to 27 road games. So ...


Bama had 19 road games - the others were neutral site games.
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Bama had 19 road games - the others were neutral site games.


That would be why I said non-road games on their 32 non-road games. I should've said Bama baseball had 27 non-home games (19 road and 8 neutral).
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UW actually had fewer road games (14) than Bama last season, although that was abetted by four road rainouts in the Pac-12.
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All of UW's hits (6) and RBIs (9) today came from the top four batters in the order:

Aguilar: 2 for 3, 3r, 2rbi, 1dbl, 1hr
Van Zee: 2 for 2, 2r, 1rbi, 1bb
Stangel: 1 for 3, 3rbi, 1dbl
DePonte: 1 for 3, 1r, 3rbi, 1hr

The bottom of the order went 0 for 8, although they did get on base with three walks and an HBP, scoring three runs.

TellintheTruth

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I am sorry for taking up all this space. I think our team is doing fine. Over the last four years this is the record against other "name" teams.

OK 2-0  1 game at OK

UW 1-5  5 games in Seattle

Texas  2-0  2 games at TX

FSU 0-2   2 games at FSU

ASU 3-0  3 games at ASU

GA 1-1   2 games at Georgia

NE 7-2  6 games at Nebraska 3 AT MINNY [smile]

MI 4-4  6 games at Michigan

Miss St 1-0

Stanford 3-0  3 games at Stanford

Cal 1-0  1 game at Cal

Ariz 1-2  3 games at Arizona

LSU 2-0  2 games at LSU

Ok St 1-1  2 games in Stillwater

FL 0-1

So Carolina 2-0 2 games at SC

Auburn 1-1  YEA! OUR ONLY OTHER HOME GAMES EXCEPT NEBRASKA  [smile]

Oregon 0-2  2 at Oregon

TOTAL IS 32-21   ROAD GAMES 35
                        HOME GAMES  5
                        NEUTRAL GAMES 6


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i am sorry i forgot Notre Dame.  Gophs win 2 on a neutral field.
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Dude. SG is a horse and Minnie is a very good team. Once they rock their conference in multiple sports, the AD will probably look at joining other conferences. Not now though..
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Dude. SG is a horse and Minnie is a very good team. Once they rock their conference in multiple sports, the AD will probably look at joining other conferences. Not now though..



There is no other place for Minnie to go.  I think they should stay in the B1G and help it become a powerful softball conference.  There is no reason, other than weather, that the B1G should not have at least 5 powerhouse softball teams year in and year out.  Ohio State has a sh*tload of money, what is their excuse?  Indiana?  Iowa?  Northwestern used to be pretty solid, Nebraska what the heck happened to them this year yikes!

No excuses for that conference!
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3leftturns Im thinking I am starting to like you cuz you make me research facts. You said "If anything, playing in a conference with only two functional teams allows Minnesota to give Groenewegen as much rest as is needed, while the SEC and Pac teams cannot"

In all actuallity, Sara G threw more innings than anyone in the Pac or the SEC except Moll at Ark. Wilkinson was almost the same. Oklahomas Parker had more than SG by about 17 innings but SG pitched 64% of her teams innings. PP pitched 59% of OKs.
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Of course, pitches thrown is a better measure than innings pitched, in that the weaker the competition, the fewer the pitches.

So, what do you think of the decision to not pitch SG against UW today? Alvelo pitched both games against Minny, and got all the stronger. UW, on the other hand, seems to have had SG's number.
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I think our coach is trying to develop a staff for the long season ahead. Tori deserved the start. She deserved the opportunity. Coach only talks about getting better each day and she is willing to give our girls opportunities. As a result of this confidence in all the players all five pitchers have pitched significant innings this year. She believes in them and they then believe in themselves. Because of this our players keep getting better and better as the years go by. So I am glad Tori got her chance because Tori is going to be a key player for us in the months to come. We need everyone to contribute if we are going to win like we want to win.
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Originally Posted by TellintheTruth
3leftturns Im thinking I am starting to like you cuz you make me research facts. You said "If anything, playing in a conference with only two functional teams allows Minnesota to give Groenewegen as much rest as is needed, while the SEC and Pac teams cannot"

In all actuallity, Sara G threw more innings than anyone in the Pac or the SEC except Moll at Ark. Wilkinson was almost the same. Oklahomas Parker had more than SG by about 17 innings but SG pitched 64% of her teams innings. PP pitched 59% of OKs.
The POINT.... Allister can pitch Groenewegen EXACTLY the number of innings/pitches she wants in that conference play without any threat to her win-loss record.

THAT is the point

That Allister believes SG is more effective with more innings is immaterial to the broader point
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Harder and harder, given the strength of the offenses, to be successful with only one "stud" pitcher - Tarr is also going through the process of building a "staff" - Alvelo, but also Schreyer, Manti, and Cochran.

I'm wondering if UW had any "insight" on Finucane from Stangel - DePonte (3-run HR), Aguilar (2-run HR), and Stangel (3-run double) could have been sitting on a pitch.
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Stangel's double was off Finucane?
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Last year, Groenewegen pitched a two-hitter to beat Oklahoma, 1-0, in the season opener, in Las Vegas.  The same day, Alvelo pitched as Washington beat Oklahoma, 10-3.  A month later, Groenewegen got the win in relief in Norman as Minnesota won, 12-10.  It was obvious that both were excellent pitchers.  I don't know what happened to either Minnesota or  Washington after that.  This year, Alvelo beat Oklahoma again.  I must admit that I would rather not face Groenewegen or Alvelo in the CWS.  But, a downfall of any team is only having one pitcher who can pitch in the CWS.  That hurt OU last year.
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Washington has an elite hitting team, that can .... hope... to escape an off pitching performance
TellintheTruth

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Washingtons hitters looked great all weekend. Kurosawa your comment about Stangel and Tori is insightful. It got me wondering about UW assistant Jen Salling and Sara G? They both play on the Canada team if Im not mistaken. 3leftturns is right. Washingtons has an elite hitting team IMO.
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Stangel's double was off Finucane?


No... they were Finucane's runners on base but she wasn't pitching at that point I believe. 
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In all seriousness the scheduling inequality and inequity in college softball is the absolute most unfair system that exists in any sport, at any time, in history. 


I can agree.

UW has have the #7 SoS in the country (Minnesota is at #14) and still have 20 games left against top 25 teams and (14 on the road.)

As I look at Minnesota's schedule, they have 4 games against top 25 teams (Massey).

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I think our coach is trying to develop a staff for the long season ahead. Tori deserved the start. She deserved the opportunity. Coach only talks about getting better each day and she is willing to give our girls opportunities. As a result of this confidence in all the players all five pitchers have pitched significant innings this year. She believes in them and they then believe in themselves. Because of this our players keep getting better and better as the years go by. So I am glad Tori got her chance because Tori is going to be a key player for us in the months to come. We need everyone to contribute if we are going to win like we want to win.


Coach Allister's plan before they landed in Seattle was to pitch Finucane against the Dawgs the second game.  She stuck with the plan.

Don't really know how much difference it would have made, but their pitching coach did not make the trip.(maternity leave)  They had a grad. asst. calling the game.  I thought she did a great job the first game against Washington.  I did not get to see the Sunday game, so I have no basis for opinion on that one.


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Stangel's double was off Finucane?


Sorry, it was off Brandt. Still, the real damage was the home run balls served up to DePonte and Aguilar in the first and second innings to go up 5-0. Aguilar also had a lead-off double in the first. Did they just guess right or were they sitting on a pitch?
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What's Alvelo's ERA?
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What's Alvelo's ERA?


1.62, on 14app, 77.2ip, 20r, 18er, through 3/12, according to the NCAA's stats.
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What's Alvelo's ERA?


It's a secret.  Shhhhhhhh.

Actually because I'm bored, based on the P12 stats listed, it says she has a 1.63 ERA.  That is if the stats on there are corrrect for UW.  (18 earned runs in 77-1/3 innings)
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What's Alvelo's ERA?


http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/careersearch

Look up anyone until your heart's content...;-)
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http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/careersearch Look up anyone until your heart's content...;-)

WOW... most useful post on this site in a long time... Thanks
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