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HenryLouisAaron

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I have a solution for you... 

If you don't care to read it...   DON'T READ IT!


It is beyond ridiculous that you three bozos feel the need to complain about a post that was written entirely because another poster asked for that specific information.
Were there too many words in it? Did it strain your eyes?

The post answered the question that had been asked in solid detail that should be appreciated by anyone with an interest in Kedyl Lindaman and her abilities with the bat.
If you are too good for that sort of thing... 

DON'T BOTHER READING IT!

Don't come whining on here just because something isn't tailored to your liking.

Just move on and go find something more to your particular taste.
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Originally Posted by HenryLouisAaron
<< Your posts are virtually unreadable >> (TheNarrator)

<< Yes they are. It's been an oft-lamented situation that he won't rectify. >> (EarlyGrayce)


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You are the only two that seem to be having a problem.  I will try and help you understand.

The two lines at the top of this post that are in different colors - are quotes from some other person.
And the words in black below these colored lines - are my response to those quotes at the top of the page.

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In my post (#47) above... I am quoting something that 3LT (3leftturns) wrote. 
In his quote - he asked for the stats split on Lindaman's career against Pac and SEC pitching.

To help you navigate this post I am writing right now - I will put quotes from my post #47 in purple. This is the first part of that post:

"In 2017, Kendyl Lindaman played in 7 games where she went up against PAC or SEC pitching. 
I added in the Minnesota game vs. Cal Poly where she faced Sierra Hyland in that 8 inning contest."

This portion is pretty straight forward. If you are having a hard time understanding this part - I don't know how to help you.

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This next line is much more likely a part that you might not understand. I wilol try to explain it for you.

"I am listing Lindaman's box score hitting line AB/R/H/RBI (3032 is 3 AB, no R, 3 hits, 2 RBI) and then additional info..."

They used to list a player's batting line score as a shorthand method of providing that info. The four digits each stand for one particular stat.
The first digit is "at bats". The second digit is "Runs". The third digit is "Hits". The fourth digit is "RBI".
So in the stat line "3032"... the player had 3 at bats, 0 runs scored, 3 hits, and 2 RBI.

Newspaper sports pages used to list the player's line scores like this in box scores. Maybe some still do.

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The next portion is where I listed the stat line plus some additional info for 8 of Lindaman's games from the 2017 season.
I will break down the first line - to help you understand what each part means.

"2-25-17  Cal Poly  4111  (HR)  vs. Sierra Hyland  3-1 win in 8 innings for Minn."

"2-25-17" is the date of that particular game. Minnesota played on February 25th, 2017.
"Cal Poly" is the opposing team that Minnesota played on that date.
"4111" is Lindaman's batting stat line for that particular game. She had 4 AB, 1 Run, 1 Hit, 1 RBI.
"(HR)"  is telling us that the one hit she had was an EBH... and it was a HR.
"vs. Sierra Hyland"  is telling us that the pitcher Lindaman faced that day was Sierra Hyland. 
"3-1 win in 8 innings for Minn."  is telling us that Minnesota won the game by a score of 3-1 in 8 innings.

So all that info is stuffed into one line. It is a shorthand way of delivering info.

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Each of those next 8 lines gives that info for one particular game.

I will go over the second line - just to help it become clearer for you.

"3-4-17  LSU  3110  (BB)  vs. Hoover  7-3 win"

"3-4-17" is the date of that game: March 4th, 2017.
"LSU"  is the team that Minnesota played on that date.
"3110" is Lindaman's batting stat line for that game. She had 3 AB, 1 Run, 1 Hit, and 0 RBI.
"vs. Hoover"  is telling us the LSU pitcher was Carly Hoover in that game.
"7-3 win" tells us Minnesota won that game 7-3.

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"Totals for the 2017 season in 8 games:  9 hits in 23 AB with 2 HR, 6 runs and 6 RBI, 5 BB and 3 Ks.
That is a .391 BA,  .500 OBP,  .652 SLG,  1.152 OPS."

This portion is adding up the totals of the eight games from the 2017 season. 
It shows us that Lindaman hit this high level pitching very well as a freshman.

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"Lindaman had 8 games vs. SEC and PAC pitching in 2018.
I added in their two games against Florida State (for a total of ten games)."

The next portion moves on to the 2018 season - and does the same basic thing as was done for the 2017 season.

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"2-16-18  Florida St.  4000  vs. King  2-3 loss"

"2-16-18" is the date of that particular game: February 16th, 2018.
"Florida St." is the team that Minnesota played on that date.
"4000" is Lindaman's batting stat line for that game. She had 4 AB, 0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 RBI.
"vs. King" is telling us that King was the pitcher Lindaman faced in that game.
"2-3 loss" tells us Minnesota lost the game 2-3.

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There were ten of these lines - one for each of the ten games Lindaman played against SEC, PAC or FSU pitching in 2018.

"Totals for the 2018 season in 10 games:  7 hits in 27 AB with 2 doubles, 2 runs and 1 RBI, 2 BB, 1 HBP and 7 Ks.
That is a .259 BA,  .333 OBP,  .333 SLG,  .666 OPS."

This portion is adding up the totals of the eight games from the 2018 season. 
It shows us that she hit the top level pitching less well in 2018 than she had in 2017.

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"Totals for the 18 games over the two year period are:  16 hits in 50 AB with 2 HR, 2 doubles, 6 runs and 6 RBI, 7 BB, 1 HBP and 10 Ks.
That is a .320 BA,  .414 OBP,  .480 SLG,  .894 OPS."

This portion adds up the totals for the two seasons together.

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Let me know if you need any additional help.


Babe...in an elevator you have 7 seconds to make your pitch stick...in other words, your posts are way too long.
HenryLouisAaron

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Janie - One... were not in an elevator.

Two... The post you quoted was made purposely looooong and as painstakingly boringly repetitive as I could make it - to make a point to the bozos who didn't seem to be able to understand post #47.

I hope they read the entire thing... and it bored them to tears.
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Janie - One... were not in an elevator.

Two... The post you quoted was made purposely looooong and as painstakingly boringly repetitive as I could make it - to make a point to the bozos who didn't seem to be able to understand post #47.

I hope they read the entire thing... and it bored them to tears.


Henry, as painstakingly detailed as you are, imo, your posts are way too long. The attention span in writing on a discussion board is limited, as is the elevator time limit.
HenryLouisAaron

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See Jane.

See Jane hit ball. 

See Dick.

See Dick run.

See Dick catch ball.
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See Jane.

See Jane hit ball. 

See Dick.

See Dick run.

See Dick catch ball.


Exactly!
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To me, catching isn't about errors on defense as much as it is five other things first: 1) handling various pitchers' personalities, 2) framing 3) throwing to 2B 4) catching pitches (minimize passed balls) blocking (minimize wild pitches) and 5) handling umpires to get the black

Then, errors

 



Well said.
HenryLouisAaron

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<< To me, catching isn't about errors on defense as much as it is five other things first: 1) handling various pitchers' personalities, 2) framing 3) throwing to 2B 4) catching pitches (minimize passed balls) blocking (minimize wild pitches) and 5) handling umpires to get the black
Then, errors >> (3LT)


I agree with CoachZ... that was pretty well said.

But I will add this...
In regard to "framing" and "catching pitches" - there is an art to receiving the ball with a smooth touch. An exceptional catcher can make it look effortless and even graceful. And that rare ability will help get your pitcher's many strikes (that other catchers would not have gotten).

I would also add these two things to 3LT's list above:

1. Making the play on pop ups in the catcher's area. Some catchers are exceptional at this... and some are not.

2. Handling bunt plays.  There is a lot involved in this.  This includes the agility to get up and out into the field very quickly - along with the ability to pick up the ball in one smooth motion and fire it with accuracy to the correct base. This also includes the ability to know when the ball is yours to make a play on... or someone else's.  And it includes communicating with your third baseman, first baseman and pitcher... in regard to who's ball it is to make the play - and to also inform them of where the throw should be made.

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Originally Posted by HenryLouisAaron

<< To me, catching isn't about errors on defense as much as it is five other things first: 1) handling various pitchers' personalities, 2) framing 3) throwing to 2B 4) catching pitches (minimize passed balls) blocking (minimize wild pitches) and 5) handling umpires to get the black
Then, errors >> (3LT)


I agree with CoachZ... that was pretty well said.

But I will add this...
In regard to "framing" and "catching pitches" - there is an art to receiving the ball with a smooth touch. An exceptional catcher can make it look effortless and even graceful. And that rare ability will help get your pitcher's many strikes (that other catchers would not have gotten).


What the hell do you think I mean by framing? Not jerk jobs that cost pitchers such as in the 2017 regional in Tuscaloosa

And bunts are important, but more and more of a rare occurrence (certainly for catchers) in today's more-stringent-on-bunters-and-slappers game.

And popups are another blue-moon occurrence.

Both go well behind where I put errors

Logan

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The Johnny Bench of softball
The Yogi Berra of Softball
The Mike Piazza of softball
The Ivan Rodriguez of softball
The Gary Carter of softball

Who? who? who?
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I disagree with HLA a lot, but don't hate on detail just because you have a short attention span, I appreciate his effort and the fact that he brings stats into the discussion rather than just vague subjective opinions.
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I disagree with HLA a lot, but don't hate on detail just because you have a short attention span, I appreciate his effort and the fact that he brings stats into the discussion rather than just vague subjective opinions.
Sometimes, he bloviates on sun-rises-in-the-east sort of duh.... But other times, it is excellent.

Basically, I agree with super.... I know in the first paragraph whether I will skip it or not
HenryLouisAaron

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<< What the hell do you think I mean by framing? Not jerk jobs that cost pitchers such as in the 2017 regional in Tuscaloosa >> (3LT)


Your first sentence above makes you sound like a crabby old man ("What the hell you doing? Get off my lawn!").
You could have just as easily said that you agree with those three sentences of mine you quoted.

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My point really is - that there is more to catching pitches than the two points you emphasized...  1. "minimize passed balls"  and 2. "framing".

As you mentioned in your response, there is a huge difference between "framing" a pitch... and snatching a pitch (or pulling a pitch). 
It is amazing how many D1 college catchers are jerking their gloves as they catch the pitch - in an effort to "fool the umpire".
Even in the super regional games - and the WCWS games... you could see them doing this. 

It is my view... that the actual act of receiving the ball into the catcher's mitt - is a separate skill from "framing". 
Framing is about where your body and especially your glove is when the pitch is being caught. And NOT jerking it around as it is caught.

But beyond that... I was talking about the actual ability to catch the ball with a soft touch... with a gracefulness that makes it appear effortless.
This is an art that very few catchers every master.

If you want to see that as a part of framing... that's your prerogative.

HenryLouisAaron

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<< The Johnny Bench of softball >> (Logan)


When she hits like she did in the WC tournament (and as she did against the top teams)... 
Aubree Munro is the Johnny Bench of softball.
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<< What the hell do you think I mean by framing? Not jerk jobs that cost pitchers such as in the 2017 regional in Tuscaloosa >> (3LT)


Your first sentence above makes you sound like a crabby old man ("What the hell you doing? Get off my lawn!").
You could have just as easily said that you agree with those three sentences of mine you quoted.

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My point really is - that there is more to catching pitches than the two points you emphasized...  1. "minimize passed balls"  and 2. "framing".

As you mentioned in your response, there is a huge difference between "framing" a pitch... and snatching a pitch (or pulling a pitch). 


I think....generally...there is a lot to agree with.

But, it is all framing to me (the edges). Just most of it is bad, ham-handed, umpire-insulting pulls and yanks of balls too far out.

90 percent of the kids have not been taught properly and/or are incapable.

What are you talking about? Receiving balls that are over the plate?....ANYONE should be able to do that.

The holy trinity of the physical act of catching: 1. GET your pitcher strike calls without insulting the ump and LOSING your pitcher calls. 2. Minimize wild pitches. I wish saved wild pitches -- primarily balls in the dirt -- where a kid on base doesn't advance -- were a stat, especially a runs saved with a runner at 3B stat. Some kids with more passed balls can be better defenders than a catcher with fewer ones. It's all a matter of how many have been saved. 3. Then, there is the NEVER DO HARM stat....minimizing passed balls.

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<< But, it is all framing to me (the edges). Just most of it is bad, ham-handed, umpire-insulting pulls and yanks of balls too far out. 
90 percent of the kids have not been taught properly and/or are incapable.
What are you talking about? Receiving balls that are over the plate?....ANYONE should be able to do that. >> (3LT)


I am making a distinction between "framing" and the actual art of catching the ball (receiving it into the glove).
When you used the words "ham-handed"... you touch on what I am trying to say.
Some percentage of the D1 catchers are "ham-handed" in regard to catching the ball. 
It's almost like they are fighting the ball - or boxing the ball. Some of them are just B A D.

A large middle segment of the catchers catch the ball relatively well... but not at the level of the few really great catchers.

A very small percentage have mastered the art of receiving the pitch into their mitt with a sort of elegance... an ease... 
They have this super soft hands things going on... where the ball is absorbed into their glove gracefully and effortlessly.

This ability helps these top level receivers get close calls that the weak or normal catchers would not get.
And it goes beyond "framing" the pitch. I am talking about the way the ball is taken into their hand (the actual catching of the ball).

The way they receive the pitch into their glove is done so softly and elegantly... 
and it looks so good to anyone watching... that it can make a pitch look better than it actually was.
So borderline pitches that are called balls with a normal catcher... will some times become strikes with these super high level receivers.

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To me... framing a pitch is about body positioning and glove positioning as the ball approaches the plate... 
and then keeping the glove at that spot as the pitch is received - and then held there for a brief period.
It's pretty much the opposite of snatching a pitch (or pulling a pitch). 
The catcher gets her body - and her glove into the perfect place before the pitch arrives...
then holds it there for a moment after making the catch. 

When a catcher adds the art of being able to receive the ball beautifully... on top of framing it properly... 
then you have the best possible scenario for getting an umpire to call a borderline pitch - in your favor.

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<< 2. Minimize wild pitches. I wish saved wild pitches -- primarily balls in the dirt -- where a kid on base doesn't advance -- were a stat, especially a runs saved with a runner at 3B stat. Some kids with more passed balls can be better defenders than a catcher with fewer ones. It's all a matter of how many have been saved. 3. Then, there is the NEVER DO HARM stat....minimizing passed balls. >> (3LT)


I totally agree. And I think the stat, that you mention above , should be kept. 
Stats are kept to help in evaluating players... and such a stat would do just that.

I have kept a stat on the throwing of defensive players (it is especially useful for infielders) where an error is broken down into fielding errors or throwing errors. And then throwing errors are described as too high, in the dirt, left or right of the target. This type of breakdown is much more useful than the simple E-6 current stat used for errors.

And since we are talking about errors... this is one that I have always seen as called incorrectly. The catcher makes a perfectly good throw to second base - but no one covers the base - and the error goes to the catcher. That is just stupid.  Find out which player (the SS or 2B) was supposed to be covering the base - and give that person the error.
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Yeah, that last thing is like a quarterback getting a pick when a receiver breaks off a route. Goes on his record, no matter the primary source of fault.
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Originally Posted by HenryLouisAaron
<< But, it is all framing to me (the edges). Just most of it is bad, ham-handed, umpire-insulting pulls and yanks of balls too far out. 
90 percent of the kids have not been taught properly and/or are incapable.
What are you talking about? Receiving balls that are over the plate?....ANYONE should be able to do that. >> (3LT)


I am making a distinction between "framing" and the actual art of catching the ball (receiving it into the glove).
When you used the words "ham-handed"... you touch on what I am trying to say.
Some percentage of the D1 catchers are "ham-handed" in regard to catching the ball. 
It's almost like they are fighting the ball - or boxing the ball. Some of them are just B A D.

A large middle segment of the catchers catch the ball relatively well... but not at the level of the few really great catchers.

A very small percentage have mastered the art of receiving the pitch into their mitt with a sort of elegance... an ease... 
They have this super soft hands things going on... where the ball is absorbed into their glove gracefully and effortlessly.

This ability helps these top level receivers get close calls that the weak or normal catchers would not get.
And it goes beyond "framing" the pitch. I am talking about the way the ball is taken into their hand (the actual catching of the ball).

The way they receive the pitch into their glove is done so softly and elegantly... 
and it looks so good to anyone watching... that it can make a pitch look better than it actually was.
So borderline pitches that are called balls with a normal catcher... will some times become strikes with these super high level receivers.

-------------------------------------------------

To me... framing a pitch is about body positioning and glove positioning as the ball approaches the plate... 
and then keeping the glove at that spot as the pitch is received - and then held there for a brief period.
It's pretty much the opposite of snatching a pitch (or pulling a pitch). 
The catcher gets her body - and her glove into the perfect place before the pitch arrives...
then holds it there for a moment after making the catch. 

When a catcher adds the art of being able to receive the ball beautifully... on top of framing it properly... 
then you have the best possible scenario for getting an umpire to call a borderline pitch - in your favor.

That 'receiving' only has value on the edges. Obviously, any catcher can receive a ball down the middle.

It that quietude of receipt with the subtle influencing toward the black... that is where the rubber hits the road

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<< The Johnny Bench of softball >> (Logan)


When she hits like she did in the WC tournament (and as she did against the top teams)... 
Aubree Munro is the Johnny Bench of softball.



I've always thought that Carlee Wallace was the Taylor Swift of badminton.

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Good glove work and a good stick should get you invited to the Team USA tryouts.
Plus a Gold Glove award helps.
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That Arizona catcher you are referencing with the Gold Glove? That one should have been a slam-dunk invite, agreed
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Jade Rhodes is the player.
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LOL....nevermind
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That Arizona catcher you are referencing with the Gold Glove? That one should have been a slam-dunk invite, agreed


Goodacre?
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<< Good glove work and a good stick should get you invited to the Team USA tryouts.
Plus a Gold Glove award helps.

Jade Rhodes is the player. >> (Logan)


Jade Rhodes didn't hit very well in her first two years at Auburn (.083 BA as a freshman, .218 BA as a sophomore)...
but was a pretty good hitter for Auburn in her junior season and a very good one her senior year (2015 & 2016).

Year     G    AB    H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   FB  SO   R  RBI    BA    OBP    SLG     OPS
2015   67  183  52    6    2   19    27    32  42  46  58   .284   .389   .650   1.039
2016   67  195  66   11   0   20    31    33  32  54  74   .338   .429   .703   1.132


She has played three seasons in the NPF and has not had much success with her bat... 

Year      G    AB    H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   FB  SO   R  RBI    BA    OBP    SLG     OPS
2016    22    50   13    3    0    2     5      3   16    8    8   .260   .302   .440    .742
2017    11    11     1    0    0    0     0      6    2     0    2   .091   .412   .091    .503 
2018    49  136   37    9    0    4    13    18  30   11  15   .272   .357   .426    .783
Totals   82  197   51  12    0    6    18    27  48   19  25   .259   .348   .411    .759


She was awarded the NPF gold glove award for the 2018 season with these stats as the Comets' first baseman:

Year    G    PO    A    E    TC    Fld%
2018  49   338  28   3   369   .992

I do not remember seeing her play this summer... 
but she must have made some exceptionally nice defensive plays... to get the NPF gold glove award as a first baseman.
They only give out ONE gold glove in the NPF...  and it is for the best defensive player in the entire league.

Personally... I have a hard time with that award going to a first baseman. 
It is hard to understand how a first baseman could have been the best defensive player in the league.
I'd love to see a highlight reel of the outstanding defensive plays she made in 2018.
They must have been really something - to earn that award.

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You have to be an extraordinary hitter... to be considered for the first base spot on the 2020 Olympic team.
You will have to beat out the likes of Lauren Chamberlain and Valerie Ariota.

I just do not see Jade as being near that level as a hitter.
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<< That Arizona catcher you are referencing with the Gold Glove? That one should have been a slam-dunk invite, agreed. >> (3LT)


I also thought Logan was talking about Chelsea Goodacre... 
as we had been talking about catchers - and Chelsea had won the NPF gold glove award in 2017.

And... I agree - Goodacre is a player I see as deserving of an invite.
The Pride have two very good catchers on their team.
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<< I've always thought that Carlee Wallace was the Taylor Swift of badminton. >> (CrowHop)


I have to disagree with you on that...
I've always seen Carlee Wallace as the Britney Spears of curling.
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Goodacre?
Yes, that Arizona catcher
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Have you catcher enthusiasts been watching the MLB playoffs? Seems like the new meta is to yank the ball from off the edge (low, high, outside, inside) to the middle of the strike zone, and it actually seems to work reasonably well. Very different from the "quiet" framing that has been recently popular.
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