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HenryLouisAaron

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<< And I NEVER think it should be the determinant for a POY or MVP. >> (3LT)


You and I have both been on record  that "indispensability" to your team...  should not be a key determinant factor.
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Alright, went to the NCAA site and found this for Langenfeld 2010

On Base%  .667
Slugging %:  1.085

Therefore, OPS of 1.752
ERA PAC games:  0.96

drops mike.

Like I said, most dominant two way performance since Lisa Fernandez' Sr. campaign.  Nodody else even close.  Sure, Haeger was awesome, so was Ricketts as 2-way players, but no comparison really if you care about stats.  That is why I had posted elsewhere that she carried the team on her back to the WCWS victory.   And why I found it mean that UCLA decides that's the ONE year out of ELEVEN photos on the outfield wall to not show a single player's picture, but one of the entire team.

My original point was that Langenfeld did not win NPOY that year, a huge oversight.  I've seen hitters who equally impressed me (Cochran, Bustos, Chamberlain, keep forgetting that girl's name from Tennessee), Yee) , and there have been better pitchers for sure, but COMBINED?  Nobody close.

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Did she actually have an on base percentage of .667  for the entire 2010 season..?

That just does not seem humanly possible... 
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Did she actually have an on base percentage of .667  for the entire 2010 season..?

That just does not seem humanly possible... 
 She walked (or got intentionally walked), a TON.  

Her batting average was .527, #3 behind Yee
Her On Base was indeed .667, #2 behind Yee

this comes from the NCAA site.

and she didn't win NPOY.

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Doubt they'll ever top Cochran...........She's heads-and-shoulders above any college softball hitter ever...........
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http://uclabruins.com/sports/2013/4/17/208207288.aspx
UCLA Athletics

Player Bio: Megan Langenfeld - UCLA Official Athletic Site
Megan Langenfeld joins the UCLA coaching staff in 2011 as an undergraduate assistant after one of the greatest seasons in program history which ended in a National Championship as the Women's College World Series' Most Outstanding Player.

Langenfeld was 12-for-17 in Oklahoma City, with the .706 batting average being the second-best total for one WCWS. She set a Series record with a 1.529 slugging percentage and tied marks with four home runs and eight runs scored, all while going 3-0 in the circle with 17 strikeouts in 24 2/3 innings of work.

While there were plenty of outstanding moments in Oklahoma City for Langenfeld, the most memorable was in the first game of the WCWS Finals against Arizona when she homered twice, including a walk-off shot in the eighth inning. She left the yard again in game two and finished the Finals 6-for-8 with five RBI. For the entire postseason, Langenfeld hit .593 (16-for-27) with six homers, 11 RBI, a 1.333 slugging percentage and a .703 on base percentage, to go with a 4-0 record and a 2.30 earned run average in the circle.

Langenfeld, a finalist for the USA Softball National Player of the Year award, set UCLA single-season records in slugging percentage (1.085) and on base percentage (.667) in 2010 and posted the second-best batting average (.527). The Pacific-10 Conference Player of the Year also led the Bruins with 20 home runs, 58 runs batted in, 43 walks and 140 total bases, was second with 50 runs scored and tied for second with 68 hits. In the circle, she was 14-1 with a 1.53 ERA and 76 strikeouts in 114 1/3 innings.

Langenfeld is ranked in the UCLA career Top 10 in nine categories and is the all-time saves leader with 12. Offensively, she is second in on base percentage (.515), walks (121) and hit by pitches (36), third in slugging (.671), fifth in batting average (.385) and runs batted in (170), eighth in home runs (39) and tied for 10th in doubles (42). In the circle, she went 53-9 with a 1.42 ERA, posting 348 strikeouts in 453 1/3 innings. Langenfeld added 34 complete games and 13 shutouts, while her five saves in 2008 stands as a single-season, school record.

The three-time All-American (first team in '09 and '10) was also a four-time All-Region and four-time All-Pac-10 honoree. She was named Pac-10 Player of the Week three times, Pac-10 Pitcher of the Week four times and National POW on five occasions (two NFCA, three USA Softball). To go along with all the on-field accolades, she was a three-time Pac-10 All-Academic selection.

The year of 2010 also saw Langenfeld nominated for an ESPY and honored as the Los Angeles Sportswoman of the Year. She spent time during the summer with the U.S. National Team and helped Team USA to a Japan Cup title, earning tournament MVP honors.

Langenfeld is currently finishing her degree in economics and will continue her playing career in March with the Denso Team in Japan.

Megan Langenfeld's Career Hitting Statistics

        Megan Langenfeld
Megan Langenfeld        
Player Profile
        Position:
Undergraduate Assistant Coach
YEAR         AVG         GP-GS         AB         R         H         2B         3B         HR         RBI         TB         SLG%         BB         HBP         SO         GDP         OB%         SF         SH         SB-ATT
2007         .315         55-55         149         21         47         12         1         7         41         82         .550         24         8         26         3         .436         0         4         1-1
2008         .349         56-56         152         19         53         10         0         5         41         78         .513         34         7         19         1         .482         2         2         0-0
2009         .369         50-50         141         22         52         8         1         7         30         83         .589         20         8         16         1         .471         1         3         0-0
2010         .527         50-49         129         50         68         12         0         20         58         140         1.085         43         13         15         1         .667         1         2         0-0
Totals         .385         211-210         571         112         220         42         2         39         170         383         .671         121         36         76         6         .515         4         11         1-1

Megan Langenfeld's Career Pitching Statistics

YEAR         ERA         W-L         APP         GS         CG         SHO/CBO         SV         IP         H         R         ER         BB         SO
2007         1.45         14-3         26         19         14         7/0         1         130.2         115         35         27         20         93
2008         1.58         8-2         21         6         2         1/8         5         66.2         41         18         15         12         67
2009         1.24         17-3         32         15         12         4/2         3         141.2         75         35         25         19         112
2010         1.53         14-1         25         8         6         1/2         3         114.1         84         32         25         25         76
Totals         1.42         53-9         104         48         34         13/12         12         453.1         315         120         92         76         348





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Thanks for posting the NCAA career stats for Megan Langenfeld.
They are VERY interesting.

Year      BA     OBP    SLG     OPS      AB    HR    AB/HR
2007   .315   .436    .550     .986    149     7      21.3
2008   .349   .482    .513     .995    152     5      30.4
2009   .369   .471    .589   1.060    141     7      20.1

2010   .527   .667  1.089   1.756    129    20       6.5


What the heck happened between her junior and senior years...???

Did Barry Bonds become her "hitting" coach..???

One has to wonder...  did her hat size jump as noticeably as her batting stats..???
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Thanks for posting the NCAA career stats for Megan Langenfeld.
They are VERY interesting.

Year      BA     OBP    SLG     OPS      AB    HR    AB/HR
2007   .315   .436    .550     .986    149     7      21.3
2008   .349   .482    .513     .995    152     5      30.4
2009   .369   .471    .589   1.060    141     7      20.1

2010   .527   .667  1.089   1.756    129    20       6.5


What the heck happened between her junior and senior years...???

Did Barry Bonds become her "hitting" coach..???

One has to wonder...  did her hat size jump as noticeably as her batting stats..???



Even more telling is her ridiculous wcws performance. Langenfeld won that title for the Bruins. I watched in grudging admiration due to it being against my Az Wildcats.🤗
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That does seem.... aberrational
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Originally Posted by HenryLouisAaron
Thanks for posting the NCAA career stats for Megan Langenfeld.
They are VERY interesting.

Year      BA     OBP    SLG     OPS      AB    HR    AB/HR
2007   .315   .436    .550     .986    149     7      21.3
2008   .349   .482    .513     .995    152     5      30.4
2009   .369   .471    .589   1.060    141     7      20.1

2010   .527   .667  1.089   1.756    129    20       6.5


What the heck happened between her junior and senior years...???
That's a good question.    Her Jr. year she played with a wonkier ankle.  I DO know it had nothing to do with the coaching staff.   At least not directly.   I watched most UCLA games in person or on TV for 2008 - 2010, and sat in the parent's section, getting to know a lot of them.

I stopped attending as much after 2010 b/c I just couldn't stand coach I knowing the things she said and did to a lot of the players in those first 3-4 years.   The coaching staff at that time was still trying to figure out how to exercise discipline without being abusive A-holes, which can often happen when a head coach has had no actual head coaching experience and is all of a sudden responsible for a top 5 program's success.   Tons of pressure and little experience to know how to deal with it.  I think Langenfeld and several players had to suffer through that learning curve.   I do know that if Sue E had told those 2010 seniors in 2005 that she was retiring and that KIP would be the new head coach, a lot of them would have gone elsewhere.  Langenfeld was so frustrated about being under KIP's thumb, so to speak, for her first three years that she just played her senior season angry and determined, with a real FU attitude.   I mentioned in another thread that she communicated with coach I for a portion of that Sr. year only through an intermediary in the AD's office.  Just imagine how good her career stats would have been if KIP had been more supportive of her.   She went on to do extremely well in the Japan Cup (MVP) with the US National Team, and also did very well playing professionally in Japan.  So she always had the talent, the UCLA staff just didn't know how to work with it.

Oh, and steroids.   just kidding.

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Under her thumb, Dunn?
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3LT, I thought that was being polite.
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I think somebody posted this, but I cannot find it --- when is the award announced?
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I think somebody posted this, but I cannot find it --- when is the award announced?


The Top 3 Finalists will be announced May 23, while the winner of the 2018 USA Softball Collegiate Player of the Year award will be revealed on May 29 prior to the start of the NCAA WCWS in Oklahoma City.
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<< Paige Parker 
Amanda Lorenz 
Kelly barnhill 
And Rachael Garcia all are finalists for NPOTY >> (Softballjunkie223)

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


So they took FOUR finalists this year...

Paige Parker would have a real shot at winning it... 
if she had kept on hitting like she did as a freshman. 

Most people probably don't remember this - but Parker was quite a hitter as a freshman:

 G     AB    H   2B   HR   BB  HB    R   RBI     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS 
58   137   54    5     9    32    3   27    43   .394   .514   .628   1.142


I expect Garcia to win... because of her excellent pitching and hitting combination.
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Juarez’s numbers are better than both Parker and Barnhill. Compete snub.
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That being said. With Garcia’s performance so far in post season, it’s hers to lose
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I expect Garcia to get it and that is probably who I would have selected, but the more I dig into it I feel like Shippy got kind of snubbed. If she was on a Top 10 team I think the award would be hers. I looked at her stats against only top competition to see if there was a drop off and there wasn't at all. 

Against only NCAA tournament teams this season her batting average was .489 and OBP was .612, and if you go deeper and only look at her stats against teams that are in the super regionals she still hit .412 with an OBP of .583 

That is pretty impressive.
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Amanda Lorenz = Professional Hitter! NOBODY more clutch
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<< Same question as every year..... Career or year?  Typically it's been year...right? >> (ChinMusic)


The award is National Player of the YEAR...

Not career.
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Time to step on the hornets nest....

How on earth is Paige Parker on this list?

How is the list not Garcia, Lorenz and some other Pac pitcher?

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Amanda Lorenz = Professional Hitter! NOBODY more clutch


Except maybe Knighten?

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Same question as every year..... Career or year?  Typically it's been year...right?

Well, not really.  It's probably more like... those who are fantastic this year but were also near fantastic last year.   Rarely does one year of performance sort of out of the blue get the award... (see Langenfeld and Yee in 2010)


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Juarez’s numbers are better than both Parker and Barnhill. Compete snub.
see my comment above about this really being a one year award that includes last year's performance as a foundation.   Huge leaps in performance from one year to the next just don't get this award.

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<< Time to step on the hornets nest....
How on earth is Paige Parker on this list?
How is the list not Garcia, Lorenz and some other Pac pitcher? >> (3LT)


I think it is probably... because Paige Parker  is more famous...

due to her post season play - and her being a big part of her team winning back to back titles (and the potential for three).

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<< Same question as every year..... Career or year?  Typically it's been year...right? >> (ChinMusic)


The award is National Player of the YEAR...

Not career.
not really.  not human nature to isolate one year and not ask -- how did she get THIS good?

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Dunn and his Barry Bonds talk
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Just a confederacy of dumba**es

Kleist is more deserving too....

21 BB and HBP allowed.... 211 K

 

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If you don't have the capability to vote based on one single season, get the **** out

Real easy
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Garcia and Langenfeld both share one major negative with respect to winning this award.

There are a lot more votes in the eastern half of the country.  West Coast players don't get much exposure back there.
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