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2018 USA Softball Collegiate Player of the Year Top 10 Finalists

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Jocelyn Alo
Oklahoma I Utility I Fresh.
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Kelly Barnhill
Florida I Pitcher I Jr.

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Meghan Beaubien
Michigan I Pitcher I Fresh.

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Rachel Garcia
UCLA I Pitcher I Soph.

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Aaliyah Jordan
UCLA I Outfield I Fresh.
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G Juarez
Arizona State I Pitcher I Soph.

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Megan Kleist
Oregon I Pitcher I Jr.

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Amanda Lorenz
Florida I Outfield I Jr.


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Paige Parker
Oklahoma I Pitcher I Sr.
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Vanessa Shippy
Oklahoma State I Utility I Sr.

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If someone has the time/energy, seeing all their stats side by side would be cool.
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My money would be on Garcia and Lorenz -- though this award comes out before all the dancing is done. Sometimes the feeling about POY is changed by the time WCWS wraps up.
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Garcia has to be the heavy favorite. Just her pitching numbers would have had her on the top 25 list but when you factor in her impressive offensive numbers it’s not really even close. She has also shown up for the big games, Beating Oregon, Washington twice, Arizona twice, and LSU.
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My money would be on Garcia and Lorenz -- though this award comes out before all the dancing is done. Sometimes the feeling about POY is changed by the time WCWS wraps up.


I feel these awards should be determined with regular season stats. Post season doesn't afford all players the same opportunity to showcase their skill and should have separate awards.

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Parker year to win it.
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I’ll go Garcia, Jordan and Barnhill (depending on this week).

Hard to leave Parker and Juarez off that list.
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Freshman has never one it.

My top 3:
- Garcia
- Kleist
- Shippy
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Freshman has never one it.

My top 3:
- Garcia
- Kleist
- Shippy


God bless if they put Shippy in there over Jordan.
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<< If someone has the time/energy, seeing all their stats side by side would be cool. >> (leip822)

Here you go...

Pitcher     AP   GS     IP     R   R/7   ER   ERA    W-L  Sv   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   TB   HB  BB  FB   SO  SO/FB  WP  AB   SO/7   FB/7  EBH/7    BA   OBP   SLG  OPS 

Parker      32   28  140.2  19  0.95  17   0.85   24-2   1   68    9    0    8    17   101    6   30  36  168   4.67     3  479   8.36   1.79    0.85   .132  .210  .192  .402
Beaubien  41   30  195.1  26  0.93  25   0.90   32-3   1   88  10    1    7    18   117  21   37  58  245   4.22   10  661   8.78   2.08    0.65   .127  .197  .177  .374
Kleist       24   24  153.2  27  1.23  20   0.91   19-4   0   95  11    0    6    17   124    4   16  20  190   9.50     4  547   8.66   0.91    0.77   .174  .202  .227  .429
Juarez      30   25  181.2  31  1.19  24   0.92   22-3   3   91  11    0  12    23   138  18   30  48  259   5.40     5  632   9.98   1.85    0.89   .144  .204  .218  .422
Barnhill    34   30  174.0  28  1.13  23   0.93   25-1   0   59    8    0  16    24   115    7   59  66  267   4.05     7  575  10.74  2.66    0.97   .103  .195  .200  .395
Garcia      25   15  125.1  21  1.17  18   1.01   18-1   2   57  15    1   3     19    83   20   23  43  197   4.58     3  432  11.00  2.40    1.06   .132  .210  .192  .402


Player      G   GS   AB   H   2B  3B  HR  EBH   TB  HB  BB  SO  SF  SH  SB  CS   GDP    R   RBI     BA     OBP     SLG     OPS
 
Garcia    47   47  132  50    5    0    9    14    82    0   19  20    5    1    0    0      1     24   44    .379    .442    .621    1.063
Alo        50   50  140  59     7   0   23    30  135    2   37  17    1    0    4    1      2     52   60    .421    .544    .964    1.508
Jordan   51   51  152  71   14   2   10    26  119    1   21  18    5    1    6    1      2     52   61    .467    .520    .783    1.303
Lorenz   55   55  150  64   17   4    8     29  113    1   51  16    1    0    5    0      1     61   49    .427    .571    .753    1.324
Shippy   55   55  150  69   13   2    4     19    98    7   54  13    1    2    5    3      0     65   26    .460    .613    .653    1.266

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I listed the pitchers by their ERA.
I listed the hitters by their OPS - with two exceptions:
1.  I put Garcia's batting stats at the top so they would be next to her pitching stats.
2.  I put Jordan next to Alo for a more direct comparison of the two freshman.

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My vote would go to Garcia... being an excellent hitter  and  pitcher.  I think she wins by a good margin.

It is pretty obvious that the freshman of the year award will go to one of the three freshman that have made the final ten for NPOY.

I'd select Alo for hitter of the year.

If there were an award for best hitter/defensive player that went to the player that best combines great hitting and defensive play (who is not a pitcher)... 
then I would strongly consider Shippy.  She plays a great third base - and she can hit pretty darn good too. 
But I'd have to give a good look at Syd Romero as well. She may be a better hitter and defender than Shippy.

The choice for pitcher of the year would be much tougher.
I'd want to look at each pitcher's SOS for all of their appearances before making that decision. 
Without knowing their SOS numbers... Beaubien's greater number of IP would make her my leader in the clubhouse. But if Juarez or Barnhill proved to have much tougher SOS numbers, then they could zip ahead of Beaubien. Kleist's and Parker's (and especially Garcia's) lower number of IP make it harder for them to find a way to the top of the pack.

Those are three amazing freshman candidates. Which one would you choose for freshman of the year..?

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This is an extremely impressive group of players. Some years it is more obvious who is going to win certain of the awards. I would vote for:

Player of the Year - Garcia. 
As others have said, her tremendous performance as both a pitcher and hitter sets her apart from the rest.


Pitcher of the Year - Juarez
All the pitchers nominated for POY are on teams with a SOS ranked anywhere from #5 to #22 except for Beaubien. Michigan's SOS is #142. She is awesome, but that is an eliminator for me. I wouldn't argue if Parker or Barnhill won Pitcher of the Year, but I'd pick Juarez ever so slightly. 


Freshman of the Year - Alo
Alo and Jordan are both very deserving. Alo's dominant HR numbers and slugging % give her the edge in my eyes.
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This is an extremely impressive group of players. Some years it is more obvious who is going to win certain of the awards. I would vote for:

Player of the Year - Garcia. 
As others have said, her tremendous performance as both a pitcher and hitter sets her apart from the rest.  

Pitcher of the Year - Juarez
All the pitchers nominated for POY are on teams with a SOS ranked anywhere from #5 to #22 except for Beaubien. Michigan's SOS is #142. She is awesome, but that is an eliminator for me. I wouldn't argue if Parker or Barnhill won Pitcher of the Year, but I'd pick Juarez ever so slightly. 
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Agree with you re: Garcia, though I am amused that the last player to dominate in the circle, and the batter's box, did not win it -- Megan Langenfeld in 2010.   And in my view Langenfeld had the most dominant two way season since Fernandez' senior year.  The cherry on top was her other worldly performance in the WCWS to bring that trophy back to Westwood.  Also Garcia has the best hair 😉

Also agree witht he importance of SOS when comparing players with quite similar stats.   I would extend your thinking to also say whichever pitcher is with the #22 SOS would be out of the running in my book.

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Agree with you re: Garcia, though I am amused that the last player to dominate in the circle, and the batter's box, did not win it -- Megan Langenfeld in 2010.   And in my view Langenfeld had the most dominant two way season since Fernandez' senior year.  The cherry on top was her other worldly performance in the WCWS to bring that trophy back to Westwood.  Also Garcia has the best hair 😉

Also agree witht he importance of SOS when comparing players with quite similar stats.   I would extend your thinking to also say whichever pitcher is with the #22 SOS would be out of the running in my book.




2015 Lauren Haeger

Pitching:  32-2 record, 1.23 ERA, 214 K's, 43 walks

Hitting:  .348 BA, 19 HR's, 71 RBI, OPS 1.393
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<< Agree with you re: Garcia, though I am amused that the last player to dominate in the circle, and the batter's box, did not win it -- Megan Langenfeld in 2010.   And in my view Langenfeld had the most dominant two way season since Fernandez' senior year.  The cherry on top was her other worldly performance in the WCWS to bring that trophy back to Westwood. >> (DunninLA)


<< 2015 Lauren Haeger
Pitching:  32-2 record, 1.23 ERA, 214 K's, 43 walks
Hitting:  .348 BA, 19 HR's, 71 RBI, OPS 1.393 >> (sMurph)


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Great call with Lauren Haeger - who was a terrific two way monster.

Between Haeger (2015) and Langenfeld (2010)...  there was another great two way player who won the NPOY award twice.
Keilani Ricketts won it in 2012 & 2013  for good reason.

Year      BA    OBP   SLG     OPS   2B  3B  HR   BB    R    RBI
2012   .400   .553   .825  1.378   13    2  17    53   42    49
2013   .379   .534   .725  1.259    8    0   15    51   44    60

Year       IP      ERA    W-L   Sv    SO   CG   ShO
2012   292.0   1.08   37-9    2   457    34    15
2013   238.1   1.23   35-1    2   350    27    16

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<< Agree with you re: Garcia, though I am amused that the last player to dominate in the circle, and the batter's box, did not win it -- Megan Langenfeld in 2010.   And in my view Langenfeld had the most dominant two way season since Fernandez' senior year.  The cherry on top was her other worldly performance in the WCWS to bring that trophy back to Westwood. >> (DunninLA)


<< 2015 Lauren Haeger
Pitching:  32-2 record, 1.23 ERA, 214 K's, 43 walks
Hitting:  .348 BA, 19 HR's, 71 RBI, OPS 1.393 >> (sMurph)


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Great call with Lauren Haeger - who was a terrific two way monster.

Between Haeger (2015) and Langenfeld (2010)...  there was another great two way player who won the NPOY award twice.
Keilani Ricketts won it in 2012 & 2013  for good reason.

Year      BA    OBP   SLG     OPS   2B  3B  HR   BB    R    RBI
2012   .400   .553   .825  1.378   13    2  17    53   42    49
2013   .379   .534   .725  1.259    8    0   15    51   44    60

Year       IP      ERA    W-L   Sv    SO   CG   ShO
2012   292.0   1.08   37-9    2   457    34    15
2013   238.1   1.23   35-1    2   350    27    16




Absolutely. I actually thought of Ricketts later when I wasn't at the computer. In fact I was reading about Montana Fouts, our incoming freshman who has very gawdy hitting stats against questionable pitching currently. So I was asking the guys in the Alabama thread if she was projected to be an elite hitter at the college level, and I used as my examples, i.e. Keilani Ricketts and Haeger. 

Keilani is truly one of the greatest in the history of this here game of NCAA softball -imo. Period. When you say that about current / recent players, there are always folks who will argue because they romantize certain players from the past as untouchable. I'm not disparaging any of those great players, but Ricketts struck fear and dominated in the circle and at the plate as much as any player I've observed. 

It reminds me of old guard Bama football fans. I could go post right now on TiderInsider and say Derrick Henry was our greatest offensive player ever, and some would immediately take offense and say "he was great but no one will ever take that from Joe Namath".  LOL, okay dude. 
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So, since Vanessa Shippy won the Big 12 player of the year, and Rachel Garcia won the Pac 12 player of the year, does this mean Alo and Jordan are out of the running for NCAA POY?

Garcia, Kleist, and Shippy are still my top 3
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So, since Vanessa Shippy won the Big 12 player of the year, and Rachel Garcia won the Pac 12 player of the year, does this mean Alo and Jordan are out of the running for NCAA POY?

Garcia, Kleist, and Shippy are still my top 3
Conference awards are decided just from conference play/stats while the national awards are from the entire season, so those that didn’t win conference POY still have a chance.
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Garcia, Kleist and Lorenz will be the Top 3
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I'd give it to Lorenz or Garcia. Both are indispensable to their teams' fortunes.
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If that award is about value of replacement on their given teams, yes, Garcia and Lorenz would fit such a bill
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<< I'd give it to Lorenz or Garcia. Both are indispensable to their teams' fortunes. >> (RahOKU)

<< If that award is about value of replacement on their given teams, yes, Garcia and Lorenz would fit such a bill >> (3LT)

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If it were to be determined on being indispensable... 
I'd say the winner would be Beaubien.

What would Michigan's record be without her...?
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<< I'd give it to Lorenz or Garcia. Both are indispensable to their teams' fortunes. >> (RahOKU)

<< If that award is about value of replacement on their given teams, yes, Garcia and Lorenz would fit such a bill >> (3LT)

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If it were to be determined on being indispensable... 
I'd say the winner would be Beaubien.

What would Michigan's record be without her...?


My comment about being indispensable was merely an observation, not necessarily the criteria for the award.

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And I NEVER think it should be the determinant for a POY or MVP.

MVP should be the player who would be most valuable to ANY of the teams' rosters
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How can you guys compare Haeger and her stats to Langenfeld but you don't post her stats?

Let me go did them up and put and end to this (not even counting the performance in the WCWS).

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2015 Lauren Haeger

Pitching:  32-2 record, 1.23 ERA, 214 K's, 43 walks

Hitting:  .348 BA, 19 HR's, 71 RBI, OPS 1.393
Her stats were posted
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Her stats were posted
I meant Langenfeld's stats.   Actually went to the UCLA website but the stats for 2010 end up with a 404 error.   Let me go back to posts from 2010 on this site and find that info.

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To remind, Garcia tailed off at the end and finished with a .279 in-conference batting average with a .942 OPS, ninth in the Pac
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OK, I'm half way there.   Found a post from May 2010 re: Langenfeld ERA that year:

"A look at the entire Pac-10 campaign shows Langenfeld at 0.96 ERA"  That year Lawrie's PAC era was 1.3 to give it some perspective.

Be back with her OPS, but as I recall it was above 1.5

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<< How can you guys compare Haeger and her stats to Langenfeld but you don't post her stats? >> (DunninLA)


You... were the one who did not post Langenfield's stats.
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