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nolefan

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So is the first team the final team that will go to Olympics?

No - one step at a time - the first team will compete at the world championships in Japan this summer. The top ? (don't no numbers yet) will qualify for the Olympics in 2020. I'm guessing tryouts for 2020 Olympic roster will be around fall time 2019 (or after the 2019 season is completed)? Olympic rosters were 15 max whereas worlds are 17 players max.


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Saw the “list” and only saw POLITICS as usual. Several names are justifiable, others are not! Glad to see some seasoned players return to the national team.

A few surprises - Munro first team vs. Chidester 2nd team; Kretschman 2nd team; Sierra Romero neither team! Although, in all fairness I was not at the tryouts so have no idea how they showed.

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Congrats, ladies!

http://floridagators.com/news/2018/1/6/softball-six-gators-selected-to-2018-uswnt.aspx
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A few surprises - Munro first team vs. Chidester 2nd team; Kretschman 2nd team; Sierra Romero neither team! Although, in all fairness I was not at the tryouts so have no idea how they showed.
Munro is so far and away the best....it's laughable
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And 5 on the 1st team! 30% of the roster. [cool]
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Munro is so far and away the best....it's laughable


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Munro and Chidester's stats were identical defensively but Chidester's offensive numbers were far superior for the 2017 season. I did hear that Munro had an excellent tryout and showed very well offensively though. No idea how Chidester fared offensively though at the tryouts but she usually carries a big bat. I think Edwards and Jaquish are still better offensively than Munro and I expect they will catch the majority of the key games. Chidester would probably get more playing time on the second team though with the addition of Edwards and Jaquish (and Munro) on the first team rather than being relegated to the bull pen for catching. I do expect all catchers to get some good playing time though, perhaps if not playing at least DP.

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Munro and Chidester's stats were identical defensively but Chidester's offensive numbers were far superior for the 2017 season. I did hear that Munro had an excellent tryout and showed very well offensively though. No idea how Chidester fared offensively though at the tryouts but she usually carries a big bat. I think Edwards and Jaquish are still better offensively than Munro and I expect they will catch the majority of the key games. Chidester would probably get more playing time on the second team though with the addition of Edwards and Jaquish (and Munro) on the first team rather than being relegated to the bull pen for catching. I do expect all catchers to get some good playing time though, perhaps if not playing at least DP.
Not a chance. Winning the games that mean jack s**t is about a person who works best with the pitchers and utterly negates the run game. And, Munro is the only one who can do that. Her net value over any possible replacement dwarfs all the rest. And, again, her offense has improved enough.
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So with the way the teams are set up, will the world championship team play Japan at any point this summer? Or are they saving those 5 pitchers. I know O'Toole threw well against them in OKC at the world cup of softball tournament.
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Not a chance. Winning the games that mean jack s**t is about a person who works best with the pitchers and utterly negates the run game. And, Munro is the only one who can do that. Her net value over any possible replacement dwarfs all the rest. And, again, her offense has improved enough.


Whoa. All good catchers. The Edwards kid is pretty good defensively and can hit. Munro's defensive skills vs good hitters who can also catch is not as self evident as you make it seem. Same applies to shortstops. At this level every game counts. 
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Whoa. All good catchers. The Edwards kid is pretty good defensively and can hit. Munro's defensive skills vs good hitters who can also catch is not as self evident as you make it seem. Same applies to shortstops. At this level every game counts. 
The differential is exactly that self-evident IMO

They are good catchers. And, there is Munro.

And, no, every game does not count. Most of them are walkovers against massively inferior competition

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“The Edwards kid”?? She has been catching Monica Abbott for years, and she’s a 2x all american and 2x all-NPF award winner. Not to mention she’s caught (and played an instrumental offensive role) in the last 3 NPF championship series, all 3 of which her team won. Aubree munro is obviously talented but Taylor Edwards isn’t just an afterthought.
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Words really fail me.  Not to take anything away from the women selected, since they are all good players and a number are absolutely incredible human beings, but I don't see how a tryout camp overrides hard statistics about performance from more than just a couple of days.  A.J. Andews, Nadia Taylor, Taylor Gadbois, Brittany Cervantes, Sierra Romero, Nerissa Meyers, and Allexis Bennet are all players that are better than at least one of the national team choices that play in their position.

And now I'm sure someone will tell me at least one of these players declined to attend.  
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Only one who was there from that group and flashed was Taylor, with two bombs
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You had about three Olympic type athletes at this tryout. Abbott, Kretch, and Val. The rest were just good college players. But it doesn't matter because international ball is such a disaster right now as far as talent that USA could bring a group of HS all americans to the 2020 games and still win gold. 
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Munro is so far and away the best....it's laughable


Really?? Over Chidester & her International experience? And can you really compare the bats? I get adding some "new blood" and all but seems to me Chidester gets all the boxes checked on this one. And when was the last time Munro caught anybody close to an Abbott type (asking cuz I don't know?)

I do agree with you that most of the games will be beatdowns so honestly it won't really matter who catches but...Chidester's bat alone wins 100% of the time.
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You had about three Olympic type athletes at this tryout. Abbott, Kretch, and Val. The rest were just good college players. But it doesn't matter because international ball is such a disaster right now as far as talent that USA could bring a group of HS all americans to the 2020 games and still win gold. 


There gonna be steroid testing?

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Only one who was there from that group and flashed was Taylor, with two bombs


Who did she hit them off of?
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“The Edwards kid”?? She has been catching Monica Abbott for years, and she’s a 2x all american and 2x all-NPF award winner. Not to mention she’s caught (and played an instrumental offensive role) in the last 3 NPF championship series, all 3 of which her team won. Aubree munro is obviously talented but Taylor Edwards isn’t just an afterthought.



 Better than most. Much better all around than Munro.
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You go with that.
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Been watching Edwards since high school. She is hands down better than Monroe in every aspect of the game. She throws runners out carries a big bat and she calls a phenomenal game. And anytime Monica is pitching she will be catching.
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<< Been watching Edwards since high school. She is hands down better than Monroe in every aspect of the game. She throws runners out carries a big bat and she calls a phenomenal game. And anytime Monica is pitching she will be catching. >> (smileyface)

I cannot vouch for Taylor Edwards as being "hands down better than Munro in every aspect of the game" as smileyface wrote above... 
but I have watched Edwards play and have been impressed with her. I believe the part of smileyface's post that I highlighted above in bold is probably the most relevant point that has been made. I do think Edwards will likely be Monica's catcher. They have worked extremely well together for quite a while - and if Monica sees her as her catcher - she will more than likely be - her catcher.

Personally, I thought Chelsea Goodacre might have been the best candidate at catcher (and who knows... she may still end up being there). 
One thing for sure... the USA has many great candidates at the catcher position.

Lastly, I remember 6 months ago or so, I mentioned that Jaquish might end up with the USA catcher position by the time 2020 comes around and many people replied that - no, she will be playing for another country. Looks like she prefers to play for the good old USA.
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<< So is the first team the final team that will go to Olympics? >> (Softball98mom)

<< No - one step at a time - the first team will compete at the world championships in Japan this summer. The top ? (don't no numbers yet) will qualify for the Olympics in 2020. I'm guessing tryouts for 2020 Olympic roster will be around fall time 2019 (or after the 2019 season is completed)? Olympic rosters were 15 max whereas worlds are 17 players max. >> (nolefan)

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Yes... I agree with nolefan. The players that will be on the 2020 USA Olympic softball team are yet to be determined. This is merely one stop along the way. How college and NPF players perform in the upcoming 2018 and 2019 seasons will have a lot to say about who will be on that final squad.
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<< So is the first team the final team that will go to Olympics? >> (Softball98mom)

<< No - one step at a time - the first team will compete at the world championships in Japan this summer. The top ? (don't no numbers yet) will qualify for the Olympics in 2020. I'm guessing tryouts for 2020 Olympic roster will be around fall time 2019 (or after the 2019 season is completed)? Olympic rosters were 15 max whereas worlds are 17 players max. >> (nolefan)

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Yes... I agree with nolefan. The players that will be on the 2020 USA Olympic softball team are yet to be determined. This is merely one stop along the way. How college and NPF players perform in the upcoming 2018 and 2019 seasons will have a lot to say about who will be on that final squad.


Yes, that should be the way things are done. However interesting reference to NPF player performances - Kretschman was the POY for three straight years (2015, 2016, 2017) and only makes 2nd team?? I never like to throw in politics but this one blows my mind.

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The tryout, to a certain degree, did count
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3LT .. who would you rather have at third, Lilley or Romero?
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I would have liked to have seen Jessica Warren at 3B.
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Kretschman might have experienced the Lisa Fernandez moment.
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Don't get warren not being there.
I love jenna and Kasey cooper. My god, I wish there was video of jenna's catch into the fence between 3B and the plate on tuesday night
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Yes, that should be the way things are done. However interesting reference to NPF player performances - Kretschman was the POY for three straight years (2015, 2016, 2017) and only makes 2nd team?? I never like to throw in politics but this one blows my mind.


I am equally wondering how Megan Wiggins gets left off completely, unless she changed her mind about attending the tryout, or being available for the team.

She's been the one consistent performer worth mentioning in the same galaxy as Kretschman.  (And it would have given me a 2nd home girl from Georgia.)
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