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3leftturns

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Softball at a scholarship level is the primary time investment at a school -- and it ain't close

I go the other way, with the primary factor being interface with the coach.

You get that one wrong and -- the misery index will be off the charts. Know yourself well enough to pick the best coach for you and cross your fingers that you get four years.

The school? I almost think of it as background noise, unless you are getting paper from Stanford or Duke....

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Ah, concern with what an athlete might want to do "post-softball" is misplaced, considering all of the multi-million dollar signing bonuses the NPF is handing out. Not!

Stanford and Duke are the only schools worth going to for the education? [confused]
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Softball at a scholarship level is the primary time investment at a school -- and it ain't close

I go the other way, with the primary factor being interface with the coach.

You get that one wrong and -- the misery index will be off the charts. Know yourself well enough to pick the best coach for you and cross your fingers that you get four years.

The school? I almost think of it as background noise, unless you are getting paper from Stanford or Duke....



So did your dd find her college coach treated her the same as a prospective student athlete prior to her commitment as he did after she came to school?  Possibly, an established coach like MW probably doesn't need to make a happy face to potential recruits but I would suggest that is the exception rather than the rule for most.

I don't know how Stretch knew but yeah dd did pick based on the college first.  Dw and I fully approved it because we knew we could keep her there with or without softball.  I see too many families taking the same mercenary approach to choosing a college that they do with choosing their travel team.  
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So did your dd find her college coach treated her the same as a prospective student athlete prior to her commitment as he did after she came to school?   
Absolutely not. Of course.

The second you sign, it always changes tectonically.

Even in recruit mode, though, you could sense the intensity and no-BS aspects.

There are other ways to get ... hints.

Player attrition before graduation is the biggest thing to look for. To me, that portrays the degree of obfuscation and misleading conversation involved in the recruiting process
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Ah, concern with what an athlete might want to do "post-softball" is misplaced, considering all of the multi-million dollar signing bonuses the NPF is handing out. Not!

Stanford and Duke are the only schools worth going to for the education? [confused]
Not at all... but very few schools make even the most unaware of hiring managers perk up at attention at their mere mention.

Otherwise, the kids all get degrees and some get Master's.... and they do just fine, no matter where they are, and, to a degree, it doesn't matter all that much.

Not like you can be pre-med playing major D1 softball.

And, don't find me one case out of a thousand as a means of trying to disprove that.

Softball is what can ruin your psyche muccccch more easily in that environment.... you make mistakes on TV.... you have stats that are on the web forever...

A mere student, meanwhile?

No one here knows who graduated with an A-, or a D+

No online stats for them. A much easier existence. IMO


ProveThemWrong

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Has anyone heard any possible head coaching candidates for Toledo and Austin Peay?
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That's why you choose a college for the college not the coach.


Always here people say this, but the coach is a part of the package. Some kids actually choose their school for the total package and if the coach leaves then that affects the total package, and experience.

There is more than 1 right fit for every kid
3leftturns

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It affects MOST of the package, certainly in a P5 setting...probably many others
TruDat

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I can tell you that if you just pick the school and the coach is a jerk you could be in misery city. The player has to bond with the coach and feel comfortable. Unfortunately, I hear too many stories of the coach you see when being recruited and the one you get when you enroll being far different. Look at roster turnover for a clue (ie Maryland) and you'll see where there might be a big problem.
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I  tend to agree.  It has to be a bit of both.  The perfect school may end up being a hellhole if you are miserable with the primary relationship that is responsible for paying you to attend that school.  On the flipside, the school has to be a fit from an academic, location/distance, social, etc., perspective, or even if your coach is there all 4 years, you may not be happy.  And of course, it's even worse if your coach bolts.
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We had the unfortunate experience of this exact thing happening to our daughter. As a former player at Georgetown University she had a great recruiting experience and as soon as she started the program the coach could not have been more different that if she had used a coach clone for recruiting.  We were very realistic concerning the softball program, seeing as it was Georgetown and not a powerhouse program.  Nevertheless we  did not expect the degree of incompetence and level of insanity from the entire coaching staff that she experienced.  That being said she loved the academic setting and the educational opportunities she was afforded so we will just be thankful for that.
TruDat

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How does the Georgetown coach keep her job? That program has been subpar since she's been there.
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I can say that is wasn't from lack of trying.  Numerous emails were written to AD and staff concerning incidents and conduct along with face to face meetings with the staff and players.  My kid actually told us nothing would come of it for 2 reasons: 1) the coach was too close with certain staff in the AD office and 2) no one gives a sh#$ about Georgetown softball. Out the mouths of babes i guess
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There is no way anyone could reasonably expect Georgetown to field a winning softball team.  They play their home games at the Washington Nationals Baseball Academy which is a half-hour away from campus and requires a drive through the mean streets of Anacostia to get there.  This is actually a big improvement from their previous home field which was at a rec center in DC where pregame prep included cleaning up broken glass on the field and shooing homeless people away.  

Great school and I hope worth it for kids to get a degree from there but it may be your hands down winner for worst D1 softball facility in the country. 
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Couldn't agree more. These players don't go to Georgetown with many expectations about softball.  But they want to work as hard and play as hard as any other player and be coached by someone who can at least provide leadership and support.  These are characteristics tough to find from this staff.
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Couldn't agree more. These players don't go to Georgetown with many expectations about softball.  But they want to work as hard and play as hard as any other player and be coached by someone who can at least provide leadership and support.  These are characteristics tough to find from this staff.


Has anyone heard anything about Delaware or Toledo?
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Or Austin Peay?
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Anyone have any knowledge about Mackay at Kennesaw?  Only rumors, but pretty good sources say he has not been on campus and is not returning calls or texts from current players.  Also, he has not been seen at major recruiting tournaments.  
It could be just bad communication, but it seems odd.
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Anyone have any knowledge about Mackay at Kennesaw?  Only rumors, but pretty good sources say he has not been on campus and is not returning calls or texts from current players.  Also, he has not been seen at major recruiting tournaments.  
It could be just bad communication, but it seems odd.


Now that you say this, my spouse was recruiting in Atlanta this weekend and never saw anyone from Kennesaw...hmmm. That is odd considering it is right down the road
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He was at Twin Creeks Park watching games in Atlanta on Saturday with an assistant.
ssrules

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We just heard from another coach that said he was on campus on Friday and talked with a few players.
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We just heard from another coach that said he was on campus on Friday and talked with a few players.
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Is Cousins staying on staff for Kennesaw?
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Kennesaw did pick up Brea Dickey as a transfer.
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Is Cousins staying on staff for Kennesaw?


From what we heard, yes. But you know how things can change.
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Kennesaw was at Lost Mountain also.
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Holly Aprile to Louisville as Head Coach

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dws3665

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Seriously, Blue Hens -- Seneca was "relieved of his duties" 7 weeks ago, and the decision was undoubtedly made weeks (if not months) before that. I get that it's not the hottest job on the market, but it's a very good school in a decent conference. What is taking so long?!?
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Seriously, Blue Hens -- Seneca was "relieved of his duties" 7 weeks ago, and the decision was undoubtedly made weeks (if not months) before that. I get that it's not the hottest job on the market, but it's a very good school in a decent conference. What is taking so long?!?


I’ve been hearing that Delaware is trying to hire Jen Steele from Marshall. I guess we will continue to wait to see if it’s true.
dws3665

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Well, considering that Marshall fired her two weeks ago, that ought not to be TOO difficult, should it? ;-)
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Steele left on her own Marshall didn’t fire her
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