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john3298

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Through a combination of a very down year, even by normal B1G standards, and asinine conference scheduling... the conference will likely be decided this weekend between Michigan (38-7, 13-1, #29 RPI) and Indiana (23-25, 15-2, #115 RPI). Indiana finishes next week at Rutgers, while Michigan hosts Ohio State. Minnesota has an outside chance at (29-14, 12-3) without playing Michigan or Indiana depending on how this series plays out. Indiana is in this position because they swept a highly overrated Ohio State team and took their 2 losses to Nebraska to stay in the race. Michigan dropped a game 2-3 on the road to Iowa for their blemish. I can't see Michigan dropping more than 1 to either Indiana or Ohio State, but the fact that the bottom of the B1G is so bad that they offer no competition for the couple of decent teams has suddenly made this UM-IU series the defacto championship for now. 


I agree that scheduling this year was unfortunate - the top teams need to play each other each year in order to give us a shot at hosting a regional, otherwise their RPI gets destroyed by teams like Penn State.
There seems to be a sharp divide between teams in the Big 10 this year, although I wouldn't say the conference overall is weak. I think Michigan and Minnesota are two very good teams that will cause a lot of chaos come tournament time. Then you have Northwestern and Ohio State, which I would say are a tier lower but still have some pretty impressive seasons. Then you also have Nebraska, Illinois, and Wisconsin who have been inconsistent, but have beaten some of the top teams in the country when they can pull it all together. Who knows what to think of Indiana - they've feasted on the bottom of the Big 10 all season, but can't actually seem to win a non-conference game. I will agree that most of the rest of the conference is embarrassing to say the least.
I can honestly say that I would be surprised if a Big 10 team didn't reach the supers this year. 
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It would be cool is the BIG would emulate European soccer and have an upper division where Michigan, MN, Illinois, etc. would play each other and then a lower division where Penn state would play Maryland, Rutgers, Purdue, etc.  And then every year the worst upper division school would get relegated to the lower division for the following season.  Fun to think about.  
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If they arent going to consider the two separate divisions in the standings or conference tournament, they need to scratch it from determining who plays who during the season. That would at least be a start. Michigan only plays 2 of the 7 teams from the West (Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin, Purdue, Iowa). This means they don't play teams for 3-4 seasons! ..... I know.... travel.... blah blah. Michigan jet sets around the country from coast to coast for 2 months during non conference. They can afford it. 
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My thought is this. If the B1G truly wants to fix their softball problems, needs to start with coaching staff hires! Until this happens you can mark everything else as patchwork. Indiana made a decent hire, not a great hire and has made great strides. Purdue, made a typical B1G hire and has showed the expected results. It all starts with the coaching hires, and filters down from there. Allister proved how easy a great coach can win in this league. 
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Michigan and Indiana in extra innings tied 4-4. Beaubien and Trainer both started for the second game in a row in the series, were taken out, and have re-entered. Entering the top of the 9th.
john3298

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Well there goes Michigan's slim chances of hosting a regional
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Final: Michigan 4 at Indiana 5

W: Trainer (16-15) 7.1ip, 4r, 3er, 7h, 3bb, 6so
L: Beaubien (28-3) 7.1ip, 5r, 5er, 5h, 3bb, 7so

Jenkins: 2-4, 1rbi, 1r
Norton: 1-2, 2rbi
Uden: 2-4, 2rbi, 1r, 1hr

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Bad day for Beaubien? 

No way Michigan will be able to host now.
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My thought is this. If the B1G truly wants to fix their softball problems, needs to start with coaching staff hires! Until this happens you can mark everything else as patchwork. Indiana made a decent hire, not a great hire and has made great strides. Purdue, made a typical B1G hire and has showed the expected results. It all starts with the coaching hires, and filters down from there. Allister proved how easy a great coach can win in this league. 


Exactly.......how the hell does Jacquie Joseph keep her job?  Oh, I know why.....
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My thought is this. If the B1G truly wants to fix their softball problems, needs to start with coaching staff hires! Until this happens you can mark everything else as patchwork. Indiana made a decent hire, not a great hire and has made great strides. Purdue, made a typical B1G hire and has showed the expected results. It all starts with the coaching hires, and filters down from there. Allister proved how easy a great coach can win in this league. 


Um, I think Shonda Stanton is a great hire for Indiana. Clearly good enough to Sweep OSU, win at least one against Michigan, place second in the Big 10...
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Um, I think Shonda Stanton is a great hire for Indiana. Clearly good enough to Sweep OSU, win at least one against Michigan, place second in the Big 10...


This.



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Um, I think Shonda Stanton is a great hire for Indiana. Clearly good enough to Sweep OSU, win at least one against Michigan, place second in the Big 10...


I agree that she's clearly made some great changes at Indiana. I'm just confused why they can't seem to win any non-conference games tho...
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Stanton brought a remarkably different culture and style of play to Indiana. It takes awhile for players to buy into the process. Obviously, she'll have to continue to recruit Trainer-level pitching but my guess is she'll be able to continue to improve when she's able to bring in athletes that match her style. What's she's accomplished so far is a huge improvement and IU will improve incrementally moving forward.
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I mean.... Indiana beating Michigan? When was the last time that happened in softball?
goblue

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I think Michigan had won 15-16 in a row. Indiana actually won the Big Ten multiple times in the 80's-early 90's and I believe made multiple trips to the WCWS during that time (Just looked it up 1983, 1986). Who can name the other Big Ten teams who have made it to Oklahoma (Or Columbus, GA)?
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I think Michigan had won 15-16 in a row. Indiana actually won the Big Ten multiple times in the 80's-early 90's and I believe made multiple trips to the WCWS during that time (Just looked it up 1983, 1986). Who can name the other Big Ten teams who have made it to Oklahoma (Or Columbus, GA)?


Who can also name other Big Ten teams whose head coach dictates who gets hired as the head coach of their schools team?!?!? [biggrin]
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Northwestern has went to the World Series a few times. Mid 2000s Wildcats were really good. Looking it up now, yea 06 and 07. Went three times in the 80s. 
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Northwestern has went to the World Series a few times. Mid 2000s Wildcats were really good. Looking it up now, yea 06 and 07. Went three times in the 80s. 


The SEC would say that was centuries ago.
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Trainer pitching today for the hoosiers again...
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Talking NCAA tourney now:

Locks: Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio State, Northwestern - all likely #2 seeds
Bubble: Illinois, Wisconsin, Nebraska (wtf is going on with them? They're in free-fall right now), Indiana (very outside chance if they can reach .500 and depending on how the committee takes into account first half vs second half of the season). Based on how teams have been playing, I think the winner of the Nebraska vs Illinois series is in and the loser is out. I think Wisconsin will take 2/3 from Northwestern and sneak into the tournament. 

Thoughts?
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Talking NCAA tourney now:

Locks: Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio State, Northwestern - all likely #2 seeds
Bubble: Illinois, Wisconsin, Nebraska (wtf is going on with them? They're in free-fall right now), Indiana (very outside chance if they can reach .500 and depending on how the committee takes into account first half vs second half of the season). Based on how teams have been playing, I think the winner of the Nebraska vs Illinois series is in and the loser is out. I think Wisconsin will take 2/3 from Northwestern and sneak into the tournament. 

Thoughts?


For bubble teams, the NCAA committee takes into account the end of season more than pre seasons. I think the best bet for Indiana to get into the tourney is to win the Big 10 Tourney, other than that, they have no shot.
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Who can also name other Big Ten teams whose head coach dictates who gets hired as the head coach of their schools team?!?!? [biggrin]


This is brought up constantly on this board. Which coaching hires has Hutch dictated? I would love to know how other than giving positive reviews of her former players/assistants how she can possibly control who another school hires. 
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Take of the blue colored glasses and things will be much clearer
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Take of the blue colored glasses and things will be much clearer


You are telling me that Carol Hutchins decides the coaches at rival schools? All I'm asking for is an example, I'm genuinely curious.
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Look up the definition of "coercion."  A good ole gals club exists just the same as the good ole boys club......
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Look up the definition of "coercion."  A good ole gals club exists just the same as the good ole boys club......


Still don't get it... when you "coerce" someone, you are threatening them... is Hutchins threat that if they don't hire who she wants them to hire, she will beat them even worse every year? Sorry, not buying it. Seems like more of an excuse for other Big Ten schools not willing to look outside of local players and coaches for an easy hire, many of which come from Michigan.
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Not sure she has any say, but heavily suggesting they should only hire female head and assistant coaches has obviously held the conference back.
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Not sure she has any say, but heavily suggesting they should only hire female head and assistant coaches has obviously held the conference back.


I've never seen any facts behind this claim either, but assuming it could be true, I still don't really buy it. That's other school's faults for listening, if its true. Hutchins is a disciple of Title IX, having sued MSU/NCAA during her basketball playing days at MSU. She began coaching at Michigan with her main job working as a secretary for Bo Schembeccler and mowing the lawns of the softball field during her spare time as the coach. I can see her being passionate about fighting for women's rights, as she has made it a lifetime achievement. However her influence is in reality or perceived by others, I just find it bizarre that many people take away from the unprecedented competitiveness of the teams she has molded over decades at Michigan vs (for a long time) west coast teams, and now southern teams, is somehow a result of her being some sort of bully who controls other Big Ten schools for her benefit. It seems very unfair and misguided, and to a certain degree an excuse. The other Big Ten (14) schools are big boys and big girls, they can take responsibility for their own programs and their fans should follow suit.
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No one is taking away from what she has done at Michigan - and to assert anyone has is unfortunate and inaccurate.
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