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3leftturns

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That is true. But, the road-win bonus is a good idea from that crappy sport
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Agreed - I have a feeling if it hurt more mid-majors or a particular school, it would have been pushed harder for when the last changes were implemented.  Northern schools should band together and try to either get the season moved back or the road win bonus instituted.  Or both.
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I just don't think moving the season back is feasible
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Why not?  It would actually be cheaper for the northern schools - it costs a lot less to keep the kids a few weeks after graduation versus two trips to Florida.  Baseball does it, softball should too.

I believe there was a time ESPN was for it, not sure if that's true anymore.
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Though it would remove Pac teams going through final exams while at OKC
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Baseball does it, softball should too.



I just looked at one case, but baseball and softball seasons started 1 week apart and their tournament starts 10 days after the WCWS ends.  So how much of a shift in schedule is that?  Baseball tournament is all 10 day vs. 7 days.  
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Why not?  It would actually be cheaper for the northern schools - it costs a lot less to keep the kids a few weeks after graduation versus two trips to Florida.  Baseball does it, softball should too.

I believe there was a time ESPN was for it, not sure if that's true anymore.

Baseball starts 1 week later than softball does.  How much a difference does that 1 week make?
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Have either of you ever lived in the north?  Would make a HUGE difference in northern teams being able to host a week instead of going on the road.

They could also go back to 50 games.  Wouldn't hurt anyone.
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I understand all of that, I just hate the idea that a student-athlete might miss out on a summer internship with Google because we pushed a sport out by 2-3 weeks.
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Do you worry the same for baseball players missing out on "google internships"?
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Do you worry the same for baseball players missing out on "google internships"?


Absolutely.  
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I actually don't think the players would worry that much, especially at the top schools whose goals year in and year out are OKC.  I'm pretty sure being in a once or twice or thrice in a lifetime experience like OKC would carry a lot more weight on a resume than a Google internship...or even that Google would allow a later internship for these exceptional student-athletes.
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Internships aren't the only issue -- those who go to summer school would basically have to drop the classes or softball: missing two days in one week (or more) in summer classes is more like missing a whole week during the spring or fall.
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I actually don't think the players would worry that much, especially at the top schools whose goals year in and year out are OKC.  I'm pretty sure being in a once or twice or thrice in a lifetime experience like OKC would carry a lot more weight on a resume than a Google internship...or even that Google would allow a later internship for these exceptional student-athletes.


Here we disagree. Any student that is looking further than a championship game and into a lifelong career should be racking up these internships. There is no light at the end of the tunnel for softball players and there won't be a viable option for these players before their careers end. The issue is the current schedule allows them both to show up in OKC and to end up with an internship. Changing that to suit some schools up north doesn't seem worthwhile in any instance especially when there are so many schools who don't really have a hope of that OKC tournament.

Then again I know of a player who got a summer internship and then quit softball bc they were offered a position that wouldn't allow them to continue their softball career. The current schedule isn't an issue unless you're looking for a built in excuse. Doesn't mean I don't support a home-away bonus, but that has more to do with mid majors being at a disadvantage.

And if you move softball two weeks back then do you move baseball two weeks as well? Put softball and baseball on the same schedule, then all of those regional games and super regional games will be passed over for baseball.
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Here we disagree. Any student that is looking further than a championship game and into a lifelong career should be racking up these internships. There is no light at the end of the tunnel for softball players and there won't be a viable option for these players before their careers end. The issue is the current schedule allows them both to show up in OKC and to end up with an internship. Changing that to suit some schools up north doesn't seem worthwhile in any instance especially when there are so many schools who don't really have a hope of that OKC tournament. Then again I know of a player who got a summer internship and then quit softball bc they were offered a position that wouldn't allow them to continue their softball career. The current schedule isn't an issue unless you're looking for a built in excuse. Doesn't mean I don't support a home-away bonus, but that has more to do with mid majors being at a disadvantage. And if you move softball two weeks back then do you move baseball two weeks as well? Put softball and baseball on the same schedule, then all of those regional games and super regional games will be passed over for baseball.
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Here we disagree. Any student that is looking further than a championship game and into a lifelong career should be racking up these internships. There is no light at the end of the tunnel for softball players and there won't be a viable option for these players before their careers end. The issue is the current schedule allows them both to show up in OKC and to end up with an internship. Changing that to suit some schools up north doesn't seem worthwhile in any instance especially when there are so many schools who don't really have a hope of that OKC tournament. Then again I know of a player who got a summer internship and then quit softball bc they were offered a position that wouldn't allow them to continue their softball career. The current schedule isn't an issue unless you're looking for a built in excuse. Doesn't mean I don't support a home-away bonus, but that has more to do with mid majors being at a disadvantage. And if you move softball two weeks back then do you move baseball two weeks as well? Put softball and baseball on the same schedule, then all of those regional games and super regional games will be passed over for baseball.



For the record, I am not for changing the season to suit weather beaten schools, just my opinion on the value of a resume that has the intense scrutiny and spotlight experience of being in the college world series...performing at the highest level.[smile]
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Actually it doesn't matter when they move the start date to, it's when the season finishes that matters.
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Yes... now you are talking about shortening the season. Cutting the 'preseason' in half
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My post was in response to a post that was deleted saying that the baseball season only started a week after softball season.
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Actually it doesn't matter when they move the start date to, it's when the season finishes that matters.


Wait, isn't the whole discussion about moving the start date so northern schools can play games at home?
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If the season ends later, the northern teams can wait until the weather warms up and just not play the first few weeks.  Some schools do this now (Mizzou used to) and more would.
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I don't think the WCWS can be any later (certainly shouldn't be going on the same time as baseball)

So, you start the final weekend in February and have two-three preseason events instead of five

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If the season ends later, the northern teams can wait until the weather warms up and just not play the first few weeks.  Some schools do this now (Mizzou used to) and more would.

How about the NCAA makes a rule that all schools north of the Mason/Dixon line can't have softball teams.  That way, we won't have to hear all of the yearly complaining about the northern schools being at a disadvantage.
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How about the NCAA makes a rule that all schools north of the Mason/Dixon line can't have softball teams.  That way, we won't have to hear all of the yearly complaining about the northern schools being at a disadvantage.



Lmao!
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Interesting (to me, anyway) footnote to the discussion.  I happened to check the MN Gopher baseball schedule.  They have played 19 games this season, with 13 of those games at home (US Bank Stadium, home of the MN Vikings). 
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How about the NCAA makes a rule that all schools north of the Mason/Dixon line can't have softball teams.  That way, we won't have to hear all of the yearly complaining about the northern schools being at a disadvantage.


Not all of them.

Funny thing, a Minn fan complained about the weather influenced schedule at the Husky Classic in cold, wet Seattle this year.


We can't win this discussion it's why I don't bother with it.

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For the record, I am not for changing the season to suit weather beaten schools, just my opinion on the value of a resume that has the intense scrutiny and spotlight experience of being in the college world series...performing at the highest level.[smile]


I agree.  Any college athlete is going to have an advantage on their resume since companies will few it positively that the applicant can manage that work load successfully.

However, having an internship where you have a recommendation from a company and showing that you have worked inside a company still has a little more weight to it.

Then again, this all depends on if the person is actually looking to get into a field where things like internships/job experience matter.
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I get the internship argument, but those application deadlines are approaching or past and interviews and selections are going on now. Then let's look at the number of student athletes potentially affected. My company doesn't set their hours of operations based on how it affects less than 1% of the workers.

If a player wants to be a teacher, it's pretty tough to do the student teaching requirements as a full time student athlete. A lot of times those students have to come back the next year. Does it stink, sure it does, but tough choices have to be made sometimes.

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I get the internship argument, but those application deadlines are approaching or past and interviews and selections are going on now. Then let's look at the number of student athletes potentially affected. My company doesn't set their hours of operations based on how it affects less than 1% of the workers. If a player wants to be a teacher, it's pretty tough to do the student teaching requirements as a full time student athlete. A lot of times those students have to come back the next year. Does it stink, sure it does, but tough choices have to be made sometimes.


True, but if a player wants to get into the marketing world or into international affairs, then those internships are extremely beneficial.  It is just common sense to me that you're already having these student athletes give up the majority of their college career to pursue something they love as an extra curricular.  Why are you now trying to take away the one period of time that they have to further their non-softball life?
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True, but if a player wants to get into the marketing world or into international affairs, then those internships are extremely beneficial.  It is just common sense to me that you're already having these student athletes give up the majority of their college career to pursue something they love as an extra curricular.  Why are you now trying to take away the one period of time that they have to further their non-softball life?



Again it's a small pct of people. If you started the season 2 weeks later and finished it 2 weeks later, how many teams are affected? Say it's 16. Then if each of those teams have 25 players that's 400 kids total. Take out half because they are freshmen or sophomores down to 200. Take out another 70% that dont require an internship, are going to grad school directly, or have to go back for a portion of a fifth year, etc and we are talking about what, 30 students total.

Again I understand your point, but if the NCAA decided to switch the schedules to assist in scheduling for northern teams, I'm just not sure the plight of 30-60 kids is going to be enough to sway votes.

Edit- and as I stated most of those internships for 2017 are already being accounted for now. If the internship has a June 1 start date, 8 teams are already playing past that date now.

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