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HenryLouisAaron

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<< Had a 1.133 OPS after May 1 >> (3LT)

If Jenna Lilley had a 1.133 OPS after May 1st... 
then she must have been pretty darn bad in February, March and April.
Her OPS was just .757 for the entire NCAA season (.402 OBP and .355 SLG).

Maybe (hopefully) she has found a way to turn the corner - on her way back to being a good hitter again.
HenryLouisAaron

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<< This analysis is so laughably flawed I don't know where to begin. >> (SN)

Begin any where you like... 
but just begin.
If you have any thing (or many things)
that you believe to be flawed... 
then GET TO IT.
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<< Jenna Lilley's offensive stats at Oregon are interesting. Her batting numbers have steadily decreased each year. She started off as a freshman world beater on offense - but has been in decline since that first season.

Year ..... BA ...... OPB ..... SLG ..... OPS ..... EBH ..... R ..... RBI ..... SB .... CS
2015 -- .427 --- .539 ---- .659 --- 1.148 ---- 24 ---- 60 ---- 44 ----- 16 ---- 2
2016 -- .326 --- .478 ---- .476 ---- .954 ---- 21 ---- 35 ---- 33 ------ 4 ---- 2
2017 -- .258 --- .402 ---- .355 ---- .757 ---- 11 ---- 27 ---- 26 ------ 3 ---- 0

Do you (or anyone else) have any idea why she has gone downhill so dramatically on offense..? >> (me from an earlier post)

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<< If there is a tougher more fearless kid out there--after getting facialed against Stanford in 2016 and missing only the next weekend--I have not seen her. >> (3LT)

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OK... since 3LT told me that Lilley had been hit in the face during the 2016 season, I speculated that perhaps this head/face trauma might be a root cause of why her batting numbers have fallen off so dramatically each season. I was guessing that she had been hitting much like her 2015 stats BEFORE she suffered that head injury in the middle of her 2016 season. And then AFTER the injury - her batting stats probably took a nose dive.

I decided to check her stats before and after the injury - and see if that is what actually happened.

Here is the back story:

Jenna Lilley was hit in the face by a pitch vs. Stanford on March 26th, 2016. Batting fifth in the lineup, Lilley came to the plate with one out in the second inning... and was hit squarely in the face by Carolyn Lee's first pitch of the at bat. She fell crumpled to the ground, bleeding from her face - and was taken to a nearby hospital.

She sat out for the next 12 days recovering from the trauma. She missed the five games Oregon was scheduled to play during those 12 days off.

Her first game back was on April 8th. She did not start - but she came in to play third base in the bottom of the 5th inning. She did not get an at bat.

She started the next game on April 9th and was batting 6th in the lineup. She singled up the middle to lead off the second inning, grounded out to the pitcher in the 3rd, and walked in the 6th.

Lilley joked with her teammates after the game saying, "It's better that I broke my face than my leg, because I would have been out for a lot longer". 

She had played in 30 games before the injury. She went on to play in 23 games after the injury. Here are her batting stats for the 2016 season divided into three categories: the full season - before the injury - and after the injury:

Time Period ......... BA ........ OBP ........ SLG ......... OPS

Full season ------- .326 ----- .478 ------ .476 ------- .954

Before injury ----- .253 ----- .455 ------ .342 ------- .797

After injury ------- .397 ----- .513 ------ .655 ------ 1.168

 

So... what I had speculated - turned out to be the exact opposite.

Lilley got off to a really poor start to the 2016 season...

and then, miraculously, got way better AFTER she got hit in the face.

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Here is the roller coaster ride that her batting stats have taken...

Time Period ......... BA ........ OBP ........ SLG ......... OPS

2015 season ----- .427 ----- .539 ------ .659 ------ 1.048

Before injury ----- .253 ----- .455 ------ .342 ------- .797

After injury ------- .397 ----- .513 ------ .655 ------ 1.168

2017 season ----- .258 ----- .402 ------ .355 ------- .757

 

Who would have guessed that..??!!

3leftturns

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She's biggest when the money is on the table, for sure

To end....

2015
25-51, 13BB, 3HBP, 5 2B, 2 HR, 1SF,.490 BA, .603 OBP, .706 SLG, 1.309 OPS

2016
22-55, 12BB, 4HBP, 5 2B, 2 3B, 2 HR, 2SF, .400 BA, .521 OBP, .673 SLG, 1.194 OPS

2017
15-34, 5BB, 4HBP, 3 2B, 3B, 5 BB, 4 HBP, SF, .441 BA, .545 OBP, .588 SLG, 1.133 OPS


3leftturns

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Whoah, Tori Vidales drives in four, Dallas Escobedo dusts off the right arm, and Mexico scores two in the seventh and five in the eighth to beat US 7-2
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Quote:
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Whoah, Tori Vidales drives in four, Dallas Escobedo dusts off the right arm, and Mexico scores two in the seventh and five in the eighth to beat US 7-2


         Carda the loser
         USA also used Barnhill, Moore and O'Toole
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         Carda the loser
         USA also used Barnhill, Moore and O'Toole


3 of those baserunners were Otoole's. Not sure why Carda got the loss. I guess USA should have 'invited' Escobedo to their tryout. ;-)
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Carda "deserves" the loss imo, O'Toole only gave up a walk and a bunt single, Carda gave up 4 singles and a walk.
lovsofbal

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must be a score keeping issue as discussed in another thread. So WHO gave up the hits.
Softball98mom

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must be a score keeping issue as discussed in another thread. So WHO gave up the hits.


I forgot one of the baserunners that scored in 8th inning was the ITB runner, so the pitcher doesn't gets charged with that run.

Barnhill gave up 2 hits/ zero runs
Moore gave up 2 hits/2 runs
Otoole gave up 1 hit/2 runs/1 walk
Carda gave up 4 hits/2 runs/1 walk

Barnhill was doing great, not sure why she was replaced in 5th inning. Score was 2-0, Moore gave up 2 run homerun to tie game.
Then it just goes downhill from there...
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I forgot one of the baserunners that scored in 8th inning was the ITB runner, so the pitcher doesn't gets charged with that run.

Since no one was responsible for losing run, maybe they decided to pin loss on pitcher they thought was most deserving. Kinda the reverse of deciding which reliever gets the win when starter didn't pitch enough innings to get it.
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Who was responsible for the 3rd run?


3rd run was the ITB runner. Otoole allowed runner to get to 3rd, Carda allowed runner to score.
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If we are to have softball as a permanent Olympic sport, we need to have other nations step up and challenge the USA and Japan. The women's top ten softball rankings (2016): Japan, USA, Australia, Canada, Chinese Taipei, China, Netherlands, New Zealand, Itay, Czech Republic. Of the top 22 ranked teams, ten are from the Western Hemisphere, five each from Asia/Pacific and Europe, and two from Africa. Mexico is tied for #14 with Great Britain and Russia.

http://www.europeansoftball.org/articles/detail/398

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USA over Mexico 9-0 in the Gold Medal game

Where are all the critics at?...so quick to chime in 2 days ago. But pretty quiet since USA has been marching through the bracket to get back in to the championship game for redemption.

"What defines us is how well we rise after falling."
lovsofbal

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USA over Mexico 9-0 in the Gold Medal game Where are all the critics at?...so quick to chime in 2 days ago. But pretty quiet since USA has been marching through the bracket to get back in to the championship game for redemption. "What defines us is how well we rise after falling."


Now it's back to the NPF for some of them to play in the playoffs.
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Quote:
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USA over Mexico 9-0 in the Gold Medal game

Where are all the critics at?...so quick to chime in 2 days ago. But pretty quiet since USA has been marching through the bracket to get back in to the championship game for redemption.

"What defines us is how well we rise after falling."


Barnhill with the perfect game. He didn't take her out this time.
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Barnhill with the perfect game. He didn't take her out this time.


He finally got a clue, interesting he didn't sub in more from bench once the score got high. And why are the alternates in the stands? Do other countries have alternates go to sit in the stands?
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He finally got a clue, interesting he didn't sub in more from bench once the score got high. And why are the alternates in the stands? Do other countries have alternates go to sit in the stands?


They can't be in the dugout
Softball98mom

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They can't be in the dugout


Maybe only one is allowed as there was a catcher in dugout not in uniform but had catcher's gear on. (Can't remember her name, she goes to UCLA.)
3leftturns

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I noticed that
Softballjunkie223

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I think it was a no hitter. One base runner got on via HBP.
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Maybe only one is allowed as there was a catcher in dugout not in uniform but had catcher's gear on. (Can't remember her name, she goes to UCLA.)


Halstead
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Sorted by OPS (all games):

Ali Aguilar: 8hr, 21rbi, 29r, .407, .814slg%, 1.377ops
Valerie Arioto: 6hr, 29rbi, .397, .810slg%, 1.368ops
Haylie McCleney: 2hr, 12rbi, 29r, .516, .677slg%, 1.275ops
Delaney Spaulding: 5hr, 26rbi, 23r, .388, .731slg%, 1.206ops
Amanda Chidester: 3hr, 29rbi, 15r, .437, .648slg%, 1.148ops
Michelle Moultre: 3hr, 16rbi, 23rbi, .394, .563slg%, 1.013ops
Janie Takeda: 3hr, 13rbi, 18r, .368, .561slg%, .981ops
Kelsie Stewart: 3hr, 18rbi, 23r, .367, .500slg%, .931ops

lovsofbal

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I saw the list of teams there. Were there any other decent teams? 
Kurosawa

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World Rankings (2017):

2. USA
3. Canada
7. Puerto Rico
10. Mexico
11. Brazil
15. Cuba
16. Venezuela
24. Dominican Rep.
30. Argentina
33. Colombia

http://www.wbsc.org/rankings/
RahOKU

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Re: world rankings, there's Japan and the US and then a pretty big gap in terms of talent, right?
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Re: world rankings, there's Japan and the US and then a pretty big gap in terms of talent, right?


Canada has been pretty competitive, certainly when Lawrie was pitching for them. Don't know if she'll be coming back for 2020. Mexico beat us first time out, with Escobedo pitching, although we jumped on her in the championship. The Aussies and the Kiwis have good programs for their populations. If we want to see softball permanently in the Olympics, and not just when hosted by Japan and the US, other nations need to step up their game. The nation that could improve the most would be China.
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If I recall correctly, Estela PiƱon, having just graduated from AZ, pitched for Mexico and held the US to three runs in a game in 2014, a 3-2 loss. Is she still pitching anywhere?
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Estela and Ken ( a Phillie then) in Boston Sept 2015
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That's not at Fenway.... fwiw
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