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Still_JAD

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Many ADs would probably gladly keep their awful, non-headline-making softball team over the Myers experience, even with those WCWS trips


Corey Myers put Auburn in the headlines for all the wrong reasons, but the turn around Clint orchestrated at Auburn is still impressive.  Softball is not a revenue generating sport at most schools, but I find it hard to believe that any P5 AD would accept mediocrity.
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And BTW: I have seen some male coaches personally come into a softball team and run ripshod over everything as if they know better and the poor women had nothing (I mean skill or performance) until they arrived. For example, arguing about the pitcher covering first with a player.

When you enter a new sport you need to be humble and respect the history of what was done before. You can't assume it all sucked until the 'new king' was in town.



But you've never seen a woman do that?.......you are so clueless.
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And BTW: I have seen some male coaches personally come into a softball team and run ripshod over everything as if they know better and the poor women had nothing (I mean skill or performance) until they arrived. For example, arguing about the pitcher covering first with a player.

When you enter a new sport you need to be humble and respect the history of what was done before. You can't assume it all sucked until the 'new king' was in town.


I find it hard to believe that a P5 school would hire a "baseball minded" head coach who does not have experience coaching softball.  It happens all the time in high school, but at a P5 school?  I would also like to point out that if the old coaching staff was getting the job done, there would not be a new head coach in the dugout.
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Fortunately, the NCAA, and ADs, and school governing authorities do care about academic performance, which they consider when hiring and firing.  And they look at these data.  Moreover, even if it just measured "basic retention" -- which is not an accurate statement -- seeing that athletes graduate is part of the fundamental mission of schools, and is and will continue to be rewarded.  Sorry to disabuse those who are forever perplexed about why some coaches get hired, and others fired, considering just on-field performance.  It ain't just about Ws and Ls, especially in non-revenue sports.

Nothing misleading here.  Just offering verifiable facts--and thanks for confirming their accuracy--to refute the assertion that SEC coaches are "so far ahead" of B10 coaches, in the context of this thread dealing with coaching turnover.


LOL, what are you the speechwriter for Gen Flynn?  But you are definitely correct, "it ain't just about Ws and Ls" - MN is perfect example.

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I heard from a reliable source that both of the Assistant Coaches at MD resigned without other job offers in hand. That should tell you something.

terpWatcher

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Heavy,

I'll tell you what it tells me, that Wright = Watten. In fact, Julie Wright has taken Watten's modus operandi and magnified it. It's like a police state down there. That program needs to be blown up and put back together again.
FuReelz

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I've heard that Wright has belittled players, pitted them against each other and worked players to the point of injury. How can 5 players quit, seniors be happy to get out, and highly touted coaches leaving without another job add up to anything good about Julie Wright and what she brings to College Park?
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What an embarrassment. Maryland is a fine university with a great sports tradition. This nonsense from the softball program for the last 5-6 years should be disturbing. I hear that recruits are beginning to question the situation there. If you are a parent, how do you assess something like this?
slc1991

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Wright is worse than Watten. And Watten was insane. So many things have gone on in that program, it needs a huge reset. But the AD has turned a blind eye and participated in pitting the girls against each other. I couldn't believe the two assistants stayed this second year. And it is too bad. Great school, great education, good facilities, great conference. They deserve better.
TruDat- it is hard for parents to assess what is a real problem situation, and what might be disgruntled players or parents complaining about a coach. I know in our situation there were a lot of comments, very negative comments, about what was going on up there and we wrote it off as disgruntled team members. Then we got there. All those girls who went through that program stuck together for serval years, kind of a solidarity in their suffering. To the outside world it might've conveyed somewhat of an image that things weren't that bad, when really does girls were just trying to survive. It just all came to a head this year and several girls had had enough and left. Good for them. Any new recruits coming in should pay attention. Until the administration get serious about the program and about positive changes, it's not going to happen. A few years ago some players went in and tried to talk with the assistant athletic director, who promptly turned around to the coach and provided names of the complainers. Guess how that went? Meghan King figured out what was going on a few years ago and asked for her release before getting to Maryland, and look at what she's been able to do. Good for her!
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I'll tell you what the problem is. Julie Wright, like Watten, was a big fish in a little pond. When they got to the bigger stage, they were like deer in the headlights. It's the Peter Principle at it's most basic. They both rose past their level of imcompetence.
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To all you male vs female coaching haters and vise versa, the game of softball has improved exponentially since it started emulating baseball. Get on board or get out. Home runs put butts in the seats, next relief pitchers appearing in the 5th or 6th inning. These young women are too athletic  not to be compared to their male counterparts. Next - smaller ball, pitching rubber moved back along with the bases to 65 or 70 feet. College softball and baseball two different sports ?  Only for losing coaches.
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We realize that if colleges look only for the best ex-players to hire, almost all softball coaches will be men?
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Well it certainly looked to me that Patrick Murphy was coaching like a softball coach yesterday.... And his counterpart was coaching baseball style. .4 straight bunts in baseball would be considered bush league.
TruDat

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Crimedog, you've got it wrong. Walton doesn't bunt because he's always had big hitters on his team. Murphy had to bunt because they weren't going to hit that pitcher. When's the last time Murphy bunted so much? 
rudymartinez

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Play that way every game and I'll take my chances. Even the Bama fans called it lucky.
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Here we are at the beginning of the recruiting season. Who goes out to recruit now? What do you say to prospective student athletes? I am so hated that my players quit in a bunch and both my coaches rolled out on me because they didn't like what was going on. This affects the program way down the road. What blue chipper will jump on the train wreck? She'll get the leftovers that can't even make it at Rutgers.
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Originally Posted by TerpAlum
And BTW: I have seen some male coaches personally come into a softball team and run ripshod over everything as if they know better and the poor women had nothing (I mean skill or performance) until they arrived. For example, arguing about the pitcher covering first with a player.

When you enter a new sport you need to be humble and respect the history of what was done before. You can't assume it all sucked until the 'new king' was in town.


And this is why Maryland Softball has always sucked and we shouldnt listen to you about anything.

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Maryland Nightmare.....speaking as a parent of a player that has survived the current coaching nightmare, this situation is as bad as the rumors out there! At the helm of this program is a coach who uses her favorite players (that she refers to as "family") to bully and harass the others in hopes of running them off and also keeping her hands clean of the mess. She is demeaning, demoralizing and detrimental. She intimidates and segregates. There were numerous violations that were documented and recorded. Believe me when I say, this is NOT a bunch of girls or parents whining or complaining over playing time or simply can't handle a tough coach! What is happening with this team would NOT be tolerated in the work world. It would be an automatic lawsuit and Wright would have been gone after the initial 5 girls walked away from a game they once loved. Does anyone wonder why the 5 girls who left were able to keep their scholarships? Because the AD wanted them to go away and keep quiet. Does anyone wonder why the athletic department asked some of the girls who managed to survive Watten, to sit in on the interview process, they gave their honest opinion. Which was to avoid Wright at all costs, as she was simply a more intense version of Watten. And if she was the only option, to open it back up and keep looking. They could clearly see the writing on the wall. Instead, the assistant AD made the decision to go with Wright. And now they are left with the team self imploding.
As a parent, it infuriated me to see what my daughter is having to endure. We had many tearful conversations where I had to sit and listen and somehow find my own restraint, when my inner self wanted to take matters into my own hands. I felt like I had let her down. Had I known what was in store for her there, we would have NEVER stepped foot on campus! My daughter showed me she was stronger than I ever dreamed. That she wasn't going to roll over and let some tyrant run her off. That she would be victorious and that she could take whatever was dished out. I am so proud of her!!! And sad, it shouldn't be this way. It's not what these girls spend their whole life working for!
So, for all the parents out there and future recruits, the information is out there! LISTEN!!
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Alwaysaterp...same boat as you. I suppose we know each other [wink] Sucks for our girls. And shame on the local girls who fell into this program of hers and acted like bullies. Maryland needs to get a handle on this quickly.
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what 5 girls left program?
TruDat

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Watten was a joke. This has to be crazy land. They don't want to admit a mistake and eat her contract after the Watten debacle and the one year tenure of a good coach. She is a failure and the ciurrent circumstances will prevent this program from even getting to mediocrity
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A number of the Terp players had 3 coaches in 4 years including the 5 that left the team.  To be clear though, 3 of the 5 players were not regular contributors.  This is not to diminish what they have suffered through with 2 of the 3 coaches being intolerable tyrants with ZERO life outside of softball.  Softball was their entire life 24/7.  These coaches had No balance to their lives and routinely broke the NCAA rules on practice amounts.

Sic91, what about "the local girls who fell into this program of hers and acted like bullies" ???  What are you referring to?

The inexperienced asst AD made a TERRIBLE HIRE, without any help from the head AD other then giving Julie Wright  (aka Watten 2.0) a five year contract with NO buyout!!  What a bunch of idiots!  And now they don't want to admit their mistake and eat any of the contract.  Sounds like the Watten situation revisited where they wouldn't get rid of her until things totally imploded. Totally.  They have gone from bad to awful.  And look what Courtney is doing down in Arkansas.  You had her, you couldn't keep her.  What a tease it was to have her for 1 year.  Just shows the potential for this program with a real coach.  


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For us on a message board this is s total mess. To give the inexperienced and biased assistant AD the power to hire a Julie Wright is ridiculous. Fix this problem or the program is lost.
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Originally Posted by FuReelz
Here we are at the beginning of the recruiting season. Who goes out to recruit now? What do you say to prospective student athletes? I am so hated that my players quit in a bunch and both my coaches rolled out on me because they didn't like what was going on. This affects the program way down the road. What blue chipper will jump on the train wreck? She'll get the leftovers that can't even make it at Rutgers.


Recruiting will probably suffer, but it may take 3-4 years for the results to really have an impact.  Some current commits may look around, but most schools will have little to no money available for 2018, 2019 and 2020 classes.
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Recruiting will probably suffer, but it may take 3-4 years for the results to really have an impact.  Some current commits may look around, but most schools will have little to no money available for 2018, 2019 and 2020 classes.


Between those who decide to quit playing, transfers, and career-ending injuries, there would be plenty of slots open among the top 150 D1 softball program to cover Maryland commits.
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The five player loss is from last year!!!! Other comments: Hardly any ex male softball players are young enough (under age 80). Maybe you can get some younger ones if they moved here from another country. Female coaches are largely ex players and they would not demand things like the pitcher covering first. Finally, if a team can't execute defense in bunt situations in a competitive important game every coach would keep on bunting. Nothing "old school" softball about that. If and when, like in the past, pitchers get dominant, bunting will come back. But the bats are hotter and lighter than when I played. Hint: Softball has always been close to baseball at the fields. Softball players have watched far more baseball than baseball players have watched softball, until recent years. And that is where the issue lies. Lots of "new money" but in the person sense.



TerpAlum, I tried to adjust my original thoughts from the last few years that you were a manhater and crazy...but nope...those thoughts still hold to this second.
TruDat

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Men coaches don't want the pitcher to cover first. Men who come out of Fastpitch have a deeper understanding of the game. Mike White is a clear example.
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Men coaches don't want the pitcher to cover first. Men who come out of Fastpitch have a deeper understanding of the game. Mike White is a clear example.


only makes sense in softball, not nearly enough transfer time for a pitcher to get there like baseball
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Other comments: Hardly any ex male softball players are young enough (under age 80). Maybe you can get some younger ones if they moved here from another country.


You do realize that there are plenty of men who still play fastpitch softball in this country??  Lots of young ones too.....many of them throw BP for division 1 schools......or coach college softball.....
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TerpAlum thinks these guys are all 80 years old. If they are, they must have found the Fountain of Youth.

http://www.teamusa.org/usa-softball/team-usa/mens-fast-pitch

The grass on TerpAlum's planet is purple, well, what little grass the unicorns haven't eaten.
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