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her1fan

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Was a bad attempt at humor on my part about being the 1st male head coach in the Big 10. [biggrin]
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Was a bad attempt at humor on my part about being the 1st male head coach in the Big 10. [biggrin]


There's already one at Rutgers that probably needs to go.

And I doubt you'd take the pay cut involved to take the job.
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There's already one at Rutgers that probably needs to go.


True. Foot in mouth emoji. 
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He was grandfathered. Does it still count?
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Should read "first male head coach hired in the big 10". How does this continue? Crazy.
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I believe Bob De Carolis was the head softball coach at Michigan from 1980-1984. Pretty sure he was the second head coach in program history. Hutch took over in 1985...So maybe the Big Ten hasn't hired a male head coach since 1980???
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I believe Bob De Carolis was the head softball coach at Michigan from 1980-1984. Pretty sure he was the second head coach in program history. Hutch took over in 1985...So maybe the Big Ten hasn't hired a male head coach since 1980???


Nope they hired one in like 2010 but he only lasted a week.

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I'm sure this is well known to most on here but why? I've heard the rumors but it's hard to believe one person could control the hiring for a while conference. Is it some sort of gentlemans agreement by the ADs.
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Should read "first male head coach hired in the big 10". How does this continue? Crazy.


Do people ask why there aren't any women head coaches for baseball or men's basketball?

All the statistics available out there show that the number of women coaching women's sports is declining overall. That is much more of a travesty.

https://www.womenssportsfoundation.org/research/beyond-xs-and-os/
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I believe Bob De Carolis was the head softball coach at Michigan from 1980-1984. Pretty sure he was the second head coach in program history. Hutch took over in 1985...So maybe the Big Ten hasn't hired a male head coach since 1980???



Yes he was the coach back then, offered me a scholarship in 1983 season in Hutch's first year as an assistant...he went on the become the AD I believe.[smile]
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All the statistics available out there show that the number of women coaching women's sports is declining overall. That is much more of a travesty.

Why is it a travesty? Because we should be trying to meet some quota of equality?

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Do people ask why there aren't any women head coaches for baseball or men's basketball?

All the statistics available out there show that the number of women coaching women's sports is declining overall. That is much more of a travesty.

https://www.womenssportsfoundation.org/research/beyond-xs-and-os/


My point is not that woman should not be coaching woman's softball. There are many great female coaches and have been for years. There are also many great male coaches. I'm just not sure why male coaches are thriving in the SEC but are not allowed to coach in the Big 10. I'm just asking how this started and why it continues.
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Odd isn't it that the SEC with all of those male coaches is so far ahead of the Big 10 with all of the female coaches.
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To be fair, weather (and those winters) thins the herd for the Big's recruiting efforts as well
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Why is it a travesty? Because we should be trying to meet some quota of equality?


Because its about PC, not results

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Yes he was the coach back then, offered me a scholarship in 1983 season in Hutch's first year as an assistant...he went on the become the AD I believe.[smile]


He was an assistant AD at Michigan and eventually became the AD at Oregon State for 13 years. He's retired now and back in Ann Arbor.

Here's a pretty neat article about his career: http://www.mgoblue.com/genrel/090915aab.html  

It was nice that he was on hand when Hutch broke the D1 wins record last year on the road at IU. 
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Why is it a travesty? Because we should be trying to meet some quota of equality?


Travesty was the word I used because the people whining on this board about males not being hired are up in arms like it is the worst thing in the history of mankind. I just think that the lack it is a bigger issue overall. 

From the report I linked:

"There is systemic gender bias in the coaching workplace of women’s college sports, and that while many female coaches experience gender bias, few of their male counterparts perceive it"

Maybe this gender bias has huge effect on the ability of the men to have success vs. women. There is a lot of things that a male coach of any sport can get away with that a woman can't in my opinion.


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Odd isn't it that the SEC with all of those male coaches is so far ahead of the Big 10 with all of the female coaches.


I suppose that depends on what you're measuring.  If it's their academic performance, as measured by their APR, then SEC softball is inferior to the B10.  And by "inferior", I mean as measured by their most recent mean and median APR scores, for 2015-16.

From NCAA:  "The APR system includes rewards for superior academic performance and penalties for teams that do not achieve certain academic benchmarks. Data are collected annually, and results are announced in the spring."
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I suppose that depends on what you're measuring.  If it's their academic performance, as measured by their APR, then SEC softball is inferior to the B10.  And by "inferior", I mean as measured by their most recent mean and median APR scores, for 2015-16.

From NCAA:  "The APR system includes rewards for superior academic performance and penalties for teams that do not achieve certain academic benchmarks. Data are collected annually, and results are announced in the spring."


Whatever the NCAA is using for APR penalties it does not seem to be hurting the SEC on the field. Last time I checked they have 8 teams in the SRs and the Big 10 has none.
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No one on here cares about APR which is not a measure of any academic performance, just basic retention. The girls on the SEC teams are just as smart. They are just better and better coached.
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I suppose that depends on what you're measuring.  If it's their academic performance, as measured by their APR, then SEC softball is inferior to the B10.  And by "inferior", I mean as measured by their most recent mean and median APR scores, for 2015-16.



First of all, based upon 2015-16 data, you are correct that the median APR for Big10 softball teams was higher than that of the SEC: 993 vs 992.  Also the mean Big10 APR was higher, 991.2 vs 990.8.  Wow, big differences!  It's like saying someone who is 5'10 is superior to someone 5'9 and 97/100 of an inch. Softball is a game of inches, not 3/100 of inches.  But seriously, APR is just a metric for eligibility and retention.  All schools need to maintain the 4 year average of 930 or above, and obviously both leagues are well above that. I wonder if there is a metric that shows the correlation between APR and on field success and which league might be inferior in that regard....  Sorry for posting this in the Head Coach list, but feel it's important to call out misleading info.

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Announcers on ESPN were just talking about how Mike Smith got paid $5k a year for his first college softball coaching job, and was up to $10k by year 3. So much for the tired argument that the reason that guys get into coaching softball is the money!
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Fortunately, the NCAA, and ADs, and school governing authorities do care about academic performance, which they consider when hiring and firing.  And they look at these data.  Moreover, even if it just measured "basic retention" -- which is not an accurate statement -- seeing that athletes graduate is part of the fundamental mission of schools, and is and will continue to be rewarded.  Sorry to disabuse those who are forever perplexed about why some coaches get hired, and others fired, considering just on-field performance.  It ain't just about Ws and Ls, especially in non-revenue sports.

Nothing misleading here.  Just offering verifiable facts--and thanks for confirming their accuracy--to refute the assertion that SEC coaches are "so far ahead" of B10 coaches, in the context of this thread dealing with coaching turnover.
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I think the rest of the Big Ten is pretty happy with Marylands coaching search that followed your parameters. Maybe you should broaden your horizons and hope they hire the best available candidate for the student athletes.
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I suppose that depends on what you're measuring.  If it's their academic performance, as measured by their APR, then SEC softball is inferior to the B10.  And by "inferior", I mean as measured by their most recent mean and median APR scores, for 2015-16.

From NCAA:  "The APR system includes rewards for superior academic performance and penalties for teams that do not achieve certain academic benchmarks. Data are collected annually, and results are announced in the spring."


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Maybe the WCWS should have ranked teams by their APR...
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When the men that are complaining about not getting jobs were young they made fun of girls/women playing softball, called us some seriously bad slurs, all the way through adult fastpitch that I played until the age of 26. Many of the adult males in HS (who are probably now the age of some posters here) prevented us from getting any resources, fields, while bestowing all of this on boys baseball. In fact, they often tried to impede us from playing sports. So I do not feel sorry for all of your sudden changes of heart that softball is great to coach!



Is this why you hate men?  Not all men are like that......just like not all women are grumpy ass men haters who don't believe in strength training......


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TerpAlum - you stated above that you believe women should have the same opportunities as men in athletics. But then you say when finding a coach we should narrow the field and not make all the best candidates available for those players. As the father of daughters I think women should have the exact same opportunities including finding the best coach regardless of gender.

I am not anti female coach. There are many great ones out there that have incredible success and that will continue. My point is if a school like Maryland misses out on the next Tim Walton or Patrick Murphy only because of gender that is an incredible missed opportunity for the players and fans at that school.
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Look you find examples of winners and losers of all kinds in demographics.

It is simple, though. If you don't have the qualifications for the job, you don't get the job. Not sure then why all this whining about men not getting jobs. Good grief. Go apply for baseball positions if that is your sport. They do generally pay more.

When the men that are complaining about not getting jobs were young they made fun of girls/women playing softball, called us some seriously bad slurs, all the way through adult fastpitch that I played until the age of 26. Many of the adult males in HS (who are probably now the age of some posters here) prevented us from getting any resources, fields, while bestowing all of this on boys baseball. In fact, they often tried to impede us from playing sports. So I do not feel sorry for all of your sudden changes of heart that softball is great to coach!

Ultimately, if there are not enough candidates, people who did not play can get in. That door is closing.

Does not matter the gender, but you should have been a softball player. Now if they start considering softball players to coach baseball and we get more cross overs both ways to create equal opportunity, I will change my opinion on that.


The increase in popularity of softball has put the spotlight on coaches who are not getting the job done.  ADs see the impact Clint Myers had at Auburn when he replaced Tina Deese - who had been there FOREVER, and they want the same type of turnaround for their program.  I think schools should hire the best person for the job, regardless of their gender, and I think the B1G having an unwritten rule to only hire women coaches has hurt the conference.
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The increase in popularity of softball has put the spotlight on coaches who are not getting the job done.  ADs see the impact Clint Myers had at Auburn when he replaced Tina Deese - who had been there FOREVER, and they want the same type of turnaround for their program.  I think schools should hire the best person for the job, regardless of their gender, and I think the B1G having an unwritten rule to only hire women coaches has hurt the conference.
Many ADs would probably gladly keep their awful, non-headline-making softball team over the Myers experience, even with those WCWS trips
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