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HenryLouisAaron

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In that Shelby Pendley interview... Eric Lopez said that the 2013 Oklahoma team was the greatest college softball team of all time. He then went on to add to that by stating that he considers that team to be the greatest women's college team ever in any sport.

Do you agree with his thoughts on this?

What other women's college teams would you possibly put ahead of the 2013 Oklahoma softball team?
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2017 Gophers.
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In that Shelby Pendley interview... Eric Lopez said that the 2013 Oklahoma team was the greatest college softball team of all time. He then went on to add to that by stating that he considers that team to be the greatest women's college team ever in any sport.



lol

They were a great team but no 
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I don't think its possible to name any team the greatest team ever. If you believe at all "the sport doesn't know who's supposed to win", or "Any team can beat any team on a given day" then its literally not possible to say any teams is the best. I will say they performed extremely well when it counted that year. 
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The thought get you a little excited, Lefty? [smile]
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<< They were a great team but no >> (SECfan04)


So what teams from other sports do YOU see as greater... and why?
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Even among die-hard softball fans, you'd be hard-pressed to not find someone who would throw out any one of a few Connecticut basketball teams as the best ever women's team.
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Can you really be considered the best ever if you lucked into a Game 1 win with a dropped ball by the second baseman?
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Can you really be considered the best ever if you lucked into a Game 1 win with a dropped ball by the second baseman?



Yes
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I don't think its possible to name any team the greatest team ever. If you believe at all "the sport doesn't know who's supposed to win", or "Any team can beat any team on a given day" then its literally not possible to say any teams is the best. I will say they performed extremely well when it counted that year


pretty much sums up several years in many sports. One being mens basketball

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Can you really be considered the best ever if you lucked into a Game 1 win with a dropped ball by the second baseman?
oh, boy. You went there. How dare you type the L word
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Even among die-hard softball fans, you'd be hard-pressed to not find someone who would throw out any one of a few Connecticut basketball teams as the best ever women's team.
please don’t interrupt hank’s corningstone soliloquy!!
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<< They were a great team but no >> (SECfan04)


So what teams from other sports do YOU see as greater... and why?


Just from my little knowledge, the 2008 Penn State Volleyball team is one I'd consider better. They went undefeated never losing a set in the regular season. They only lost two sets, when they beat Nebraska 3-2 in the final four, before winning the national championship for the second year in a row (then would go undefeated in 2009 and win the title for the fourth time in a row in 2010.)
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Can you really be considered the best ever if you lucked into a Game 1 win with a dropped ball by the second baseman?


LOL! Had to dig pretty deep to pull that one out.

And don't forget those four losses.
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LOL! Had to dig pretty deep to pull that one out.

And don't forget those four losses.


Didn’t have to dig that far. My heart hurts for Lauren Gibson to this day and I am a diehard Volhater through and through.
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Didn’t have to dig that far. My heart hurts for Lauren Gibson to this day and I am a diehard Volhater through and through.


LOL, jayrot. Yes, you dug incredibly deep to come up with such a lame excuse for saying Oklahoma "lucked" into a win. The weather conditions that night were exactly the same for both teams.

I had all the respect in the world for that 2013 Tennessee team. But their chances of claiming the WCWS title over the Sooners were twofold: slim and none.

And just to be clear: I never called the 2013 Sooners "the greatest team of all time."
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LOL, jayrot. Yes, you dug incredibly deep to come up with such a lame excuse for saying Oklahoma "lucked" into a win. The weather conditions that night were exactly the same for both teams.

I had all the respect in the world for that 2013 Tennessee team. But their chances of claiming the WCWS title over the Sooners were twofold: slim and none.

And just to be clear: I never called the 2013 Sooners "the greatest team of all time."


Never did I say UT would've won that series on the whole, but that fluke play most definitely helped OU win that.  They did luck into that win, whether you like it or not.  They didn't luck into winning the whole series bc there were 2 available games left for UT, but that game was definitely luck.

Simple point, "the greatest team ever" should've never been in that position.

And can I use that "the weather conditions that night were exactly the same for both teams" when anyone brings up 2012 rain?
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Never did I say UT would've won that series on the whole, but that fluke play most definitely helped OU win that.  They did luck into that win, whether you like it or not.  They didn't luck into winning the whole series bc there were 2 available games left for UT, but that game was definitely luck.

Simple point, "the greatest team ever" should've never been in that position.

And can I use that "the weather conditions that night were exactly the same for both teams" when anyone brings up 2012 rain?


You absolutely can! (notwithstanding the fact that that point has been made ad nauseam by every SEC fan in the continental U.S. and at least least 12 foreign nations). [smile]
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You absolutely can! (notwithstanding the fact that that point has been made ad nauseam by every SEC fan in the continental U.S. and at least least 12 foreign nations). [smile]


Muchos gracias!
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<< Even among die-hard softball fans, you'd be hard-pressed to not find someone who would throw out any one of a few Connecticut basketball teams as the best ever women's team. >> (PH2)


Mr. Lopez brought up the Connecticut basketball teams when he was talking about this subject in that interview. He felt that the difference between the 2013 Sooners and any of the great Connecticut basketball teams (choose which ever single season you feel was the best) is that college softball had much greater parity among the top teams than college basketball. That was his reasoning for choosing the 2013 Oklahoma softball team over any of the great Connecticut basketball teams.

Do you see that as a reasonable argument - or not?
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<< Just from my little knowledge, the 2008 Penn State Volleyball team is one I'd consider better. They went undefeated never losing a set in the regular season. They only lost two sets, when they beat Nebraska 3-2 in the final four, before winning the national championship for the second year in a row (then would go undefeated in 2009 and win the title for the fourth time in a row in 2010.) >> (banterguy)


That is a great team to put into the discussion.
I don't want to speak for Eric Lopez... 
but I'd guess that he might make the same argument about the top level of teams in softball compared to volleyball (that he made about basketball).

And... it should be noted that this is just a single season best ever scenario - so winning multiple years in a row... really does not figure into the determination.

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I'd say the two teams brought up so far - are excellent contenders.

Any others..?
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<< Can you really be considered the best ever if you lucked into a Game 1 win with a dropped ball by the second baseman? >> (jayrot)


My gosh... Oklahoma sure has been one lucky softball team over the years... 

; )

Do you have a particular team that you feel is more deserving than the 2013 Oklahoma team as the best ever in college softball..???

So far, no one has listed any other softball team - to go up against the 2013 Sooners.
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Muchos gracias!


You're very welcome.

Hate to take on the role of the spelling/grammar police, but I'd be remiss not to provide you the correct spelling of muchas gracias[wink]
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You're very welcome.

Hate to take on the role of the spelling/grammar police, but I'd be remiss not to provide you the correct spelling of muchas gracias[wink]


Merci beaucoup!
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Best softball team was 2001 Arizona. And they also are responsible for bringing in the new era of college softball. The TV coverage, the popularity, its all because of Finch and the 2001 Wildcats. 
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<< Just from my little knowledge, the 2008 Penn State Volleyball team is one I'd consider better. They went undefeated never losing a set in the regular season. They only lost two sets, when they beat Nebraska 3-2 in the final four, before winning the national championship for the second year in a row (then would go undefeated in 2009 and win the title for the fourth time in a row in 2010.) >> (banterguy)


That is a great team to put into the discussion.
I don't want to speak for Eric Lopez... 
but I'd guess that he might make the same argument about the top level of teams in softball compared to volleyball (that he made about basketball).

And... it should be noted that this is just a single season best ever scenario - so winning multiple years in a row... really does not figure into the determination.

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I'd say the two teams brought up so far - are excellent contenders.

Any others..?


Another thing more impressive for PSU going undeafeared in all their sets in 2008 was the fact the ncaa just had switched the scoring that year. Before the first four set were the first team to 30 points win the set, they lowered it to 25 points to win the set, which should in theory cause more upsets. But Penn State still went 3-0 every game in the regular season.

Very apples and oranges, I’m sure there could be arguments for the North Carolina soccer teams in there too.
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Best softball team was 2001 Arizona. And they also are responsible for bringing in the new era of college softball. The TV coverage, the popularity, its all because of Finch and the 2001 Wildcats. >> (Skinny)


I do believe that Jennie Finch and her 32-0 record in 2001 (and then her 60 game winning streak which came to an end in her 2002 senior season) played a very big role in expanding college softball's popularity. She was a huge star (and still is).

But I also think that Chamberlain (along with Ricketts and Pendley) came along and raised the level of the game and its popularity in the 2012-13 period. 


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Here is a comparison of the 2001 Arizona team vs. the 2013 Oklahoma team in their post season performance:

Back in the 2001 season, teams played in 8 regionals... and each regional winner went on to the WCWS.
Arizona beat Saint Peter's 4-2 in the first round.
They beat Texas Tech 8-0 (in 6 innings) in the second round.
They beat Texas State 6-2 in the third round.
And they won the regional final over Cal State Fullerton, 5-4.

At the WCWS... Arizona beat California, 3-2 in the first round.
They beat Oklahoma, 5-4 (in 8 innings) in the second round.
They beat Stanford 1-0 in the semi finals.
And they beat UCLA 1-0 in the finals.

The last five games of their 2001 run to the championship... were ALL won by ONE RUN.
The combined score of those five games was 15-10 (an average score of 3-2). 

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At the 2001 WCWS...

In Arizona's first game vs. California... 
they got a 3 run HR by Toni Mascarenas in the 6th inning, to take a 3-0 lead.
Finch gave up a 2 run HR in the 7th...  but held on to win the game 3-2.

In Arizona's second game they played the defending national champions, Oklahoma, who had eliminated Arizona in the 2000 WCWS semi finals.  Oklahoma smacked two HR off Finch to take a 4-0 lead into the 6th inning.  Sooner pitcher, Jennifer Stewart, had allowed only one hit through the first 5 innings.  But Arizona came up with two singles in the 6th... and then Mascarenas came through with her second 3 run HR in two games.  So AZ trailed 3-4 going into the 7th inning.  AZ right fielder, Mackenzie Vandergeest came through with a clutch HR to tie the game in the 7th.  In the top of the 8th, AZ got a lead off single and then bunted her over to second.  Then the Oklahoma shortstop, trying to turn a DP, threw the ball away - and AZ scored to take a 5-4 lead.  In the bottom of the 8th, the Sooners loaded the bases against Finch... but Jennie got the last batter to ground out - and Arizona held on to win the game 5-4.

Hmmmmm.... what was that someone was saying about being "lucky".  Seems that error in the 8th inning had a little bit to do with AZ winning this game.   ; )

In Arizona's third game  which was the semi final vs. Stanford... 
their number two pitcher, Becky Lemke, pitched a shutout... and for the third game in a row - Mascarenas hit a HR...  as AZ won the game 1-0.

In their fourth game, it was AZ vs. UCLA for the final.
Arizona catcher, Lindsey Collins, hit a HR in the fourth inning... 
and Finch shutout the UCLA batters to win the game 1-0.


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The 2013 Oklahoma post season performance:

First round of regionals they beat Marist 17-0.
Second round they beat Arkansas 10-5.
Third round they beat Arkansas 14-1.

Super regionals vs. Texas A &M...
Oklahoma won 10-2
and then 8-0.

Through these early round games - Oklahoma outscored their opponents 59-8.

At the 2013 WCWS... 
First game they beat Michigan 7-1.
Second game they beat Texas 10-2.
Third game they beat Washington 6-2.

In the finals... they beat Tennessee 5-3 (in 12 innings) in the first game...
and 4-0 in the second game to win the title. 

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Total score of those ten post season games:  Oklahoma 91, opponents 16.
Total score of AZ's eight post season games:  Arizona 33, opponents 14.

Each of Arizona's last five games was decided by ONE RUN.
Oklahoma's last five games were decided by 6, 8, 4, 2 and 4 runs.

Arizona's last five games combined scores were...  15-10.
Oklahoma's last five games combined scores were...  32-8.

While the 2001 Arizona team narrowly escaped with FIVE consecutive one run wins... 
the 2013 Oklahoma team had just one close game (a two run win) and four other games in which the closest margin was FOUR runs.


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In conclusion... the 2013 Oklahoma team took it to their opponents in every game but one - when it mattered most.
While the 2001 Arizona team barely survived time and time again.

It seems reasonable that the team which won nearly every one of these key games  easily  just might be more deserving to be seen as the greater team.


Btw... the 2001 team owes an awful lot to the tremendous performance by Toni Macarenas... or they surely would not have won that title.
Jennie Finch was named the most outstanding player...
but Toni's big time hitting was probably even more valuable in that low scoring environment. 
My vote would have gone to Mascarenas.
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