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Considering the number of games they are doing, I would say it is above average. My wife has been texting me and the tracker is ahead of her.
Perhaps we are lucky and have a good "inputer" but I have seen far worse with many College Gametracker sites.
JMO.
Considering our local ASA doesn't even post scores AFTER tournaments, let alone while the games are going on, I would say it has been a pleasant surprise.
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Considering the number of games they are doing, I would say it is above average. My wife has been texting me and the tracker is ahead of her.
Perhaps we are lucky and have a good "inputer" but I have seen far worse with many College Gametracker sites.
JMO.
Considering our local ASA doesn't even post scores AFTER tournaments, let alone while the games are going on, I would say it has been a pleasant surprise.

Considering the the cost of the entry fee, which is huge.  I don't think there is any way to justify the poor quality scoring JMO.  For those of us parents who could not afford to fly-in Sunday to Sunday, the most expensive day of the travel week, we were heavily hoping that the scoring was going to be top notch, but it hasn't been.  The girls are having fun though, and the weather is great.
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Sorry. I must be lucky. Our games have been pretty current and accurate thus far. Again, I've seen far worse. Wait til you have to endure some College Gametracker fiascos.
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Sorry. I must be lucky. Our games have been pretty current and accurate thus far. Again, I've seen far worse. Wait til you have to endure some College Gametracker fiascos.

It's OK.   I'm just jealous.  Tomorrow is a new day at a different field.  Maybe a different inputter will come our way.  The tournament itself has been great though.  Very well run, excellent umpiring and games staying on schedule.
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I'm just going to butt in and say, that I think it is awesome that we are now wanting a better relay of information at the 18Gold level.  It has surpassed complaining about colleges not having good enough coverage of their softball team to wanting to see more on the internet about the 18Gold tournaments.  I'm very new to this level of softball (compared to most), but getting to follow the evolution of these players and see how teammates today are rivals in college just adds another aspect to it that I both enjoy and can bring a negative side to the game.  

Not siding with either person, just saying that I'm glad we are to the point of having live feeds at high-school level softball and glad we aren't going to stay satisfied with minimal coverage.  Ok, now I'll remove my nose from the situation.
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Yeah great perspective! Who would have thought we would be griping about LIVE Feeds for a Travel Softball Event. My dd's only 13 so I'm real young to this world, but I've followed the game for 30 years.
I can say her 16U coverage has been VERY good compared to what we are used to--- which is zilch! So as I said, since we can't even get scores or results from our local and sometimes statewide tourneys at ASA this has been a pleasant surprise.
I do realize however, that others are more accustomed to better coverage so perhaps it has been disappointing. But I have experienced plenty of Gametracker problems even at the top level Colleges.
But it's understandable, you get used to something and you automatically raise the bar. Kinda like going from dial up to high speed.
Of course now I'll be griping about the upcoming High School games next spring because we don't have live coverage.
It's all relative I guess.
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Yeah great perspective! Who would have thought we would be griping about LIVE Feeds for a Travel Softball Event. My dd's only 13 so I'm real young to this world, but I've followed the game for 30 years.
I can say her 16U coverage has been VERY good compared to what we are used to--- which is zilch! So as I said, since we can't even get scores or results from our local and sometimes statewide tourneys at ASA this has been a pleasant surprise.
I do realize however, that others are more accustomed to better coverage so perhaps it has been disappointing. But I have experienced plenty of Gametracker problems even at the top level Colleges.
But it's understandable, you get used to something and you automatically raise the bar. Kinda like going from dial up to high speed.
Of course now I'll be griping about the upcoming High School games next spring because we don't have live coverage.
It's all relative I guess.

I have used Gametracker many times to follow the college games, it is not perfect either.  But, it is much better than the iscore.
Now that I have read posts from others on another site, I am happy to find I am not alone in my feelings against the iscore.  I'm sure part of the problem is the inputter because several times during our games "corrections is being made" kept popping up on the thing.  But, missed at bats at least three during one game, pitching changes not being listed, errors being recorded to the wrong players etc...
Good for those of you who think it is great to have something over nothing.  It is disappointing because I really thought that ESPN would have done a better job with the technical media stuff, that is what they do isn't it?

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I have used Gametracker many times to follow the college games, it is not perfect either.  But, it is much better than the iscore.
Now that I have read posts from others on another site, I am happy to find I am not alone in my feelings against the iscore.

You seem to be on a crusade about this on every message board.  Why?  Really, who even cares?  It is a minor detail in the middle of what appears to be a great tournament.  You've got me puzzled.

The biggest complaint 've seen about gametracker (on message boards the past 2-3 years) is that no one can get it on their PDA / phone, because it is flash-based.
 
iScore is DESIGNED for the phone.  Where it is far more useful to the majority of fans trying to follow games at 10:00am on a weekday.  Or on a weekend when you are sitting in a stadium watching a different game.

Anyway, I'm having no trouble following the games on iScore.  I understand the occasional detail IS wrong, about an individual AB, etc.  But the scores and game progress seem to be spot on. 

Given that there are small problems, I'll say this:  In addition to the ability to follow games on my PDA, I'd trade whatever problems there are with iScore for the aggregate statistics by team and for the tournament, which Premier provides.  That is PHENOMENAL.  Specifics of each individual game have been available in box scores as well, posted relatively quickly after the fact.

Streaming video would be a nice addition, but if you are making a judgment about what is valuable to the sport overall, the ESPN televised finale of Premier is going to be way more important than streaming video of bracket games.  That said, I hope Premier adds this, and I'm sure they will.


In the season opener for my daughter's college team this past season, I got about 6 congratulatory texts after people "watching" the game on gametracker saw she had hit a 3-run HR in the bottom of the 5th.  Pretty cool.  It immediately was calculated into the gametracker aggregate stats.

But only for a while.  Unfortunately, she had actually flied out to the fence.

DOESN'T mean Gametracker is a crappy technology, because it isn't.

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Scott

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I have used Gametracker many times to follow the college games, it is not perfect either.  But, it is much better than the iscore.
Now that I have read posts from others on another site, I am happy to find I am not alone in my feelings against the iscore.

You seem to be on a crusade about this on every message board.  Why?  Really, who even cares?  It is a minor detail in the middle of what appears to be a great tournament.  You've got me puzzled.

The biggest complaint 've seen about gametracker (on message boards the past 2-3 years) is that no one can get it on their PDA / phone, because it is flash-based.
 
iScore is DESIGNED for the phone.  Where it is far more useful to the majority of fans trying to follow games at 10:00am on a weekday.  Or on a weekend when you are sitting in a stadium watching a different game.

Anyway, I'm having no trouble following the games on iScore.  I understand the occasional detail IS wrong, about an individual AB, etc.  But the scores and game progress seem to be spot on. 

Given that there are small problems, I'll say this:  In addition to the ability to follow games on my PDA, I'd trade whatever problems there are with iScore for the aggregate statistics by team and for the tournament, which Premier provides.  That is PHENOMENAL.  Specifics of each individual game have been available in box scores as well, posted relatively quickly after the fact.

Streaming video would be a nice addition, but if you are making a judgment about what is valuable to the sport overall, the ESPN televised finale of Premier is going to be way more important than streaming video of bracket games.  That said, I hope Premier adds this, and I'm sure they will.


In the season opener for my daughter's college team this past season, I got about 6 congratulatory texts after people "watching" the game on gametracker saw she had hit a 3-run HR in the bottom of the 5th.  Pretty cool.  It immediately was calculated into the gametracker aggregate stats.

But only for a while.  Unfortunately, she had actually flied out to the fence.

DOESN'T mean Gametracker is a crappy technology, because it isn't.

Regards,

Scott


Not a crusade Scott, and I am surprised by the tone towards me in your response.  I don't post on HB but, read others who felt similarly.  
I received a very nice PM today offering to help and decided to stop complaining.  That is good customer service, and I am willing to accept that it is not perfect, they are trying to do the best they can, they care, and will improve it in the future years.
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For the record, Gametracker works just fine on a Verizon Droid Incredible.  If I could only see the screen in sunlight it might just be useful!
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Not a crusade Scott, and I am surprised by the tone towards me in your response.  I don't post on HB but, read others who felt similarly.  
 
Tone?  "You seem to be on a crusade" is NOT a tone.  It is an observation, right or wrong.  And nothing but the antecedent assumption that I was criticizing you - which I really wasn't - would suggest that there was a "tone" associated.  If the observation is incorrect, set me straight.
 
 
I responded because I just don't get why it is important to you.  To ME, it seems like a small thing, though perhaps that is MY limitation.
 
I guess I DID make an assumption, which isn't fair, and I apologize if I assumed wronmg.  My thought process was that the Premier tournament is galvanizing, for sure.  Plenty of sincere people on both sides of the discussion.  And I guess I kind of assumed you were not a fan of Premier, and were choosing this particular discussion point as a means of persuading others.  No issue, there, BTW, that is how message boards - and life - are supposed to work.  But similarly, I'd not expect you to have much of an issue with my rebuttal.
 
 
Sharing my own bias for a second, I just think competition is almost always good.  And I think softball as a sport is at a real precipice right now.  It is NOT growing in end-user popularity at the higher levels, as even Candrea indicated in an interview during the World Cup of Sotball.  A "world" cup which had three countries participating.
 
And so, in addition to all the other reasons I personally favor Premier's approach at the moment, I wish them great success, because IMO, that success is vital to the viability of the sport.  Their failure would be a HUGE blow to the sport at a time when it can scarcely afford it.
 
And so my bias leads me to looking for things to praise about Premier, and I haven't found I've had to look too hard.  Seems to be going great.
 
 
While I don't assume everyone feels as I do, or shares my assessment of the state of the softball world, I just think ANY tournament matching 30 or so of the best teams in the country, plus a like number of very good teams, is a good thing. There ARE things to like about that.
 
 
I trust my tone is conciliatory, and that is NOT a parting shot of sarcasm. I really mean it.  I have no issue with you or your observations.  Again, I just didn't understand them, given the big picture.
 
 
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I received a very nice PM today offering to help and decided to stop complaining.  That is good customer service, and I am willing to accept that it is not perfect, they are trying to do the best they can, they care, and will improve it in the future years.
 
Hey, that is great.  Good for iScore!
 
If something is important to you and not meeting your expectatiuons, you SHOULD raise it as an issue.  If you hadn't complained, you wouldn't have gotten the call.  And I think it is pretty cool that you DID get it.
 
 
That said, I would - for whatever it is worth - simply urge all of us to consider the bigger picture.  That shouldn't preclude criticism, but merely put it in perspective.
 
Best regards,

Scott
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Not a crusade Scott, and I am surprised by the tone towards me in your response.  I don't post on HB but, read others who felt similarly.  
 
Tone?  "You seem to be on a crusade" is NOT a tone.  It is an observation, right or wrong.  And nothing but the antecedent assumption that I was criticizing you - which I really wasn't - would suggest that there was a "tone" associated.  If the observation is incorrect, set me straight.
 
 
I responded because I just don't get why it is important to you.  To ME, it seems like a small thing, though perhaps that is MY limitation.
 
I guess I DID make an assumption, which isn't fair, and I apologize if I assumed wronmg.  My thought process was that the Premier tournament is galvanizing, for sure.  Plenty of sincere people on both sides of the discussion.  And I guess I kind of assumed you were not a fan of Premier, and were choosing this particular discussion point as a means of persuading others.  No issue, there, BTW, that is how message boards - and life - are supposed to work.  But similarly, I'd not expect you to have much of an issue with my rebuttal.
 
 
Sharing my own bias for a second, I just think competition is almost always good.  And I think softball as a sport is at a real precipice right now.  It is NOT growing in end-user popularity at the higher levels, as even Candrea indicated in an interview during the World Cup of Sotball.  A "world" cup which had three countries participating.
 
And so, in addition to all the other reasons I personally favor Premier's approach at the moment, I wish them great success, because IMO, that success is vital to the viability of the sport.  Their failure would be a HUGE blow to the sport at a time when it can scarcely afford it.
 
And so my bias leads me to looking for things to praise about Premier, and I haven't found I've had to look too hard.  Seems to be going great.
 
 
While I don't assume everyone feels as I do, or shares my assessment of the state of the softball world, I just think ANY tournament matching 30 or so of the best teams in the country, plus a like number of very good teams, is a good thing. There ARE things to like about that.
 
 
I trust my tone is conciliatory, and that is NOT a parting shot of sarcasm. I really mean it.  I have no issue with you or your observations.  Again, I just didn't understand them, given the big picture.
 
 
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I received a very nice PM today offering to help and decided to stop complaining.  That is good customer service, and I am willing to accept that it is not perfect, they are trying to do the best they can, they care, and will improve it in the future years.
 
Hey, that is great.  Good for iScore!
 
If something is important to you and not meeting your expectatiuons, you SHOULD raise it as an issue.  If you hadn't complained, you wouldn't have gotten the call.  And I think it is pretty cool that you DID get it.
 
 
That said, I would - for whatever it is worth - simply urge all of us to consider the bigger picture.  That shouldn't preclude criticism, but merely put it in perspective.
 
Best regards,

Scott


No hard feelings Scott, I misunderstood your response to me.  I am a big supporter of Premier. It is top-notch all the way around.   

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No hard feelings Scott, I misunderstood your response to me.  I am a big supporter of Premier. It is top-notch all the way around. 

Look forward to exchanging ideas with you in the future.

Absolute best regards,

Scott

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THis tournament is turning out to be the success story that I expected it would be. It is exciting to see, and well timed for our sport! It will be a very interesting winter waiting to see the next moves of ASA!!


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No hard feelings Scott, I misunderstood your response to me.  I am a big supporter of Premier. It is top-notch all the way around. 

Look forward to exchanging ideas with you in the future.

Absolute best regards,

Scott

Hi Scott,

It was me who contacted her. She sent me back a very nice and appreciative comment. Thank you momchangeup!!! 

I am working with the iScore scorekeepers to ensure as much correct scoring information as possible. The first couple of days, we had to weed through a few issues - some software related, some just lack of training, some just electronically challenged (prefer to use a scorebook) and some human error entry issues. Hopefully, yesterday was much better.

The site had 55,000 hits on Monday, 66,000 hits on Tuesday and 85,000 hits on Wednesday. Several times the volume has knocked down the server.

This is all good for the game of softball

And, as I said to momchangeup, please send me your constructive comments or suggestions so that I can sit down with the iScore people at the end of the tournament and give them suggestions/recommendations for their program. I have received several text messages but it is usually someone complaining that their daughter was given an error when it should have been a hit (at least in their eyes), etc.

Can't wait till 5:00pm PST on Saturday when we all get to watch the Championship game - on ESPNU - oh wait, I will be there in person


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JMO--Set your DVR for Sat. @ 5:00 to record the game! You just might want to watch it a second time, or third....!!!!


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And, as I said to momchangeup, please send me your constructive comments or suggestions so that I can sit down with the iScore people at the end of the tournament and give them suggestions/recommendations for their program. I have received several text messages but it is usually someone complaining that their daughter was given an error when it should have been a hit (at least in their eyes), etc.

I'll send you a PM with some suggestions, but all in all I think it's been great! It's obvious that some "inputers" are better than others and it's easy to get frustrated, but it sure is fun getting updates even if they aren't always accurate. The most glaring thing I noticed was that they often list 10 players in the field. The extra outfielder reminds me of my days in "old man" softball in the beer leagues (LOL). I found myself getting a little frustrated in my game today because it was far worse than my previous games, but then I stepped back and realized the alternatives, and it's all relative.
All in all they have been very accommodating. A few games got late starts on tracking, but I was able to text my wife (who's there) and she informed someone and it was fixed immediately!
As for the errors and such, heck official College Scorekeepers often leave much to be desired in my 30 years of watching games. Sure they usually get the players' names right, but when it comes to errors vs hits etc.... There is some very questionable judgement.
And it's not unusual to see multiple parents keeping their own scorebooks at these tourney games. Ask them to compare books at the end of the game sometime. It can be pretty comical.
Keep up the great work, it sure sounds like a great tourney thus far. Wish I could be there, but this tracking makes it a little easier for me at least.
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Oh and I might add, when my DD's grandma who is 2500 miles away and calls me to say she is glued to her computer (@81 years old) and can't wait for the next game, (assuming it doesn't interrupt her golf leagues) I think it's a huge success!

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There was never a doubt in my mind that Gary Haning would put on a first class tournament!
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iscore doesn't seem much different then gametracker; sometimes it works and sometimes not.

Stats seem to be updated at the end of the day; I would prefer for pool games not to be included in the stats. Overall a great effort.
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I don't know how it transfers to home consumption but I had an ESPN guy give me a tutorial Friday and it's amazing at the site. For ease of scoring and compiling information it can't be beat. If they can't get that info into your computer then Iscore becomes a limited tool.
BTW-They already have an app for basketball and they are working on football.

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For a first-year tournament they did a great job organizing. The weather was great, the facilities were nice and we got to see some top-level softball. The only negative (and this was not the tournament's fault) was the girls from the Junior National team weren't there. About half way through I predicted a Batbusters-Athletics final and I was almost right. The Batbusters were the best team I saw but I don't know what happened to them again Texas Impact.
Wednesday
On the 1st day of bracket play I saw 2 good games and 2 blowouts. Both the Houston Power teams got run-ruled by Cal Lite and Batbusters. In a battle between future Arizona and UCLA pitchers the Corona Angels edged the Colorado Styxxx with a run in the bottom of the 7th. The game of the day was the nightcap between Batbusters and Jersey Intensity. The local girls trailed the whole game and were down to their final out before busting loose for 4 runs in the top of the 7th. Batbusters features another future Bruin in Brittany Moeai (class of 2012).

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Thursday
After a day in Fountain Valley, I moved over to Huntington Beach. First it was Lady Magic without Ally Carda scoring 3 in the top of the 7th to tie it up only to give up the winner in the bottom of the inning. Then it was off to the other side of the complex to see Minors-Explosion. Ashley Holmes was off to Tennessee tomorrow but she made her last day a productive one and Explosion rode her coattails (with the help of many others) straight through the day. You Vol fans treat her right as she is a special young lady.

The game of the day was SoCal Breakers vs Sorcerer. The Breakers took a 3-0 lead into the bottom of the 7th only to have Sorcerer to pull it out with 4 runs. I chatted briefly with Kelly Majam, Hawaii homer queen. What a bright and personable youn lady. She was there to see her two sisters who play on the Breakers. One is one the way to Northwestern while the other is on the way to 9th grade.

The big winner's bracket game was SoCal Athletics vs Texas Impact and there was no indication it would be a preview of the finals. The As led all the way and despite giving up a run in the 7th were in control of a 3-1 victory.
I never thought I'd watch a game in California in August wrapped in a blanket but that was the case Thursday night. Because of an earlier marathon affair, Explosion's game with the New Mexico Sundancers started 2 hours late. They picked up a run-rule win and the powers that be were sensible enough not to make them start another game approaching 10:00.

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Judging by comments I have heard from players, fellow coaches, parents and softball fans, the Premier nationals was an overwhelming success.  When you consider that it was being staged for the first time, the level of success becomes even more impressive.  The setting, opening ceremonies, fields, umpiring, quality of competition, things to do when not competing, ease and cost of getting to the event - virtually everything that makes up the overall experience - was truly outstanding.  We definitely made the right decision to throw our support behind Premier and play in Huntington Beach.  To a person, we feel that we made the right decision! Kudos to all involved.
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Friday
I hadn't planned on attending the sunrise game, postponed from the previous evening but when I couldn't sleep I headed back down to H.B. to jump back on the Explosion train. Everything went fine against the Breakers but on came SoCal Pumas. I had seen them play a couple of times in the Women's League and was very impressed especially by Demi Meza. Ironically she was one of the few hitters who didn't hurt Explosion. There plan was very simple; slap, bunt, steal, slap, bunt, steal. Explosion had no answer to the speed and it was 5-0 by the 3rd. They tried to make a game of it with 2 in the 5th but Pumas came back with 2 of their own in the top of the 7th and the score stayed 7-2. For everything that worked against Explosion, nothing did against Team Smith. They didn't seem to even try to run and went down 2-0.

It was time for the long anticipated game between Corona Angels and Batbusters and another showdown between UCLA and Arizona pitchers. Jessica Hall had a shaky first and only a couple of stellar defensive plays kept the score close. The 2 run first was plenty for Nancy Bowling as she shut put the Angels 2-0.

In a knockout game against Georgia Elite the Angels got a 2-run HR from Hall to take a 4-0 lead and held on despite giving up single runs in the 6th and 7th. SoCal Athletics and Batbusters had a chance to clinch a position in the finals but neither one could get the job done. The As are southern thinking with 3 players going to Ole Miss and 2 to North Carolina but their offense went south against the Angels. It was their defense that kept them in the game. Danica Mercado made a web gem play to shut down one rally and the RF nailed a runner at first. It was 2-0 after 5 but the Angels' bats finally broke loose for 7 runs in the final 2 innings and they held on for a 9-3 win.

Odds and Ends
Taylor Cantillo of the Athletics may not be the fastest girl there but she can motor. I don't know if Jessica Hall will break into the UCLA rotation but she can sure field her position. There were a lot of great fielding plays but some shaky defenses as well. I didn't see a dominant pitcher. I guess they were all in South America. I thought Bowling was the best but Texas Impact wasn't impressed. Despite a few bad calls the umpiring was much better than the WCWS (at least in the games I saw. Finally a shout out to Jenna Kelly (SoCal Athletics/North Carolina) and Abby Linn (Explosion/Undecided) who began their senior year at Saugus HS today.

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I think (no inside info) that some of these teams committed a year or more (maybe 2?) in advance.  It's all fine and good a couple of months before when it is looking more and more like a "sure thing" that everybody wants on board.

He has said on discussion boards that every year there will be less and less teams invited and more and more earned berths.

could be wrong, as usual.

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