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Pudge, answer me this riddle by ProudDad, "How could the G C Hurricanes or Corona Angels (or any other Gold team for that matter) defeat a college team when the college pitchers they used would be playing for their college teams?"

So, you are saying that EVERY Gold team had a college pitcher that carried them the entire summer season?


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Did I say EVERY, Pudge?  No I didn't.  So, why don't you just answer the  question, OK?

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Actually I did. If every Gold team IS NOT using college pitchers, or college players, then they would not have to worry about losing players to the college teams. If you can't understand how they could when under those conditions, try this: having one more run on the scoreboard than the college team. That means that they win the game.


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So Pudge, you feel Gold teams with NO college playas rostered would have no problem beating many DI teams including but not limited to the Pac 10, SEC, Big 10...???  Oh, I get it now.

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So Pudge, you feel Gold teams with NO college playas rostered would have no problem beating many DI teams including but not limited to the Pac 10, SEC, Big 10...???  Oh, I get it now.

It's too bad you were just a "playa" and not a "reada". If you had read my post it did not say anything about the big school programs. I said,
'I have no doubt that their are Gold travel teams that can consistently beat D-1 programs. Just like there are D-2, D-3 and NAIA schools that could compete and win conference championships in some of these D-1 leagues." Once you figure out the difference, then come back with a comment that fits the situation.

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Pudge said, 'I have no doubt that their are Gold travel teams that can consistently beat D-1 programs"  I said," So Pudge, you feel Gold teams with NO college playas rostered would have no problem beating many DI teams including but not limited to the Pac 10, SEC, Big 10...???"  ......well Pudge, when you can read & COMPREHEND then we'll talk, until then we'll just agree to disagree because I think Seabiscuit has it right, you're just trollin' with this one!

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Pudge said repeatedly: 'I have no doubt that their are Gold travel teams that can consistently beat D-1 programs. "

That's a troll comment.  I, like you, believe that if you put the OC Batbusters, in mid-August strength, against the likes of Brown, Maryland-East Shore, Siena, Oakland or Iona you'd have easy victories for the Batbusters.  Good troll, Pudge.

Maybe we should all know that if we all walk in a downpour without an umbrella we will get wet.

Ahhh, Seabiscuit, after a long time of leaving me alone (and smartly so), you choose to try and dance with the devil again? I would suggest you go back to the hole you have been hiding in and leave me alone.

Playa, I comprehended what you said. Unfortunately you don't comprehend what you said. Just because you added words to my statement doesn't mean that I believe it. As I said before, be more of a reada. Because you will not find one post with me saying that a Gold team would have no problem beating Pac-10, SEC, or Big 10 schools. Next time, read the comment, and let it swirl around your brain for awhile. Then take the actual statement that is made and come up with a question or statement. Don't add to it. 

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Pudge, "D-1 program" = what?  Was that limited to only the weak programs or did that include the the strong programs too?  Please clarify next time because it obviously makes a difference since I didn't mean to get your panties all in a bunch over this.

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Mid to low majors


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If you are referring to me, you are aiming in the wrong direction.


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No threat. I was saying you are calling the wrong person a bully. There is no E-thuggery going on here. I don't need to make threats as if some type of physical confrontation will happen. YOu just happened to jump in the middle of a verbal disagreement between two people, in which one side thought the other had had enough.


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My daughters gold team could of beat her D1 college team 90% of the time, heck her high school team could of beat them too. Anybody who doesn't think this is true has never watched the smaller schools from the northeast or the midwest play. Some of them are really bad.

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My daughters gold team could of beat her D1 college team 90% of the time, heck her high school team could of beat them too. Anybody who doesn't think this is true has never watched the smaller schools from the northeast or the midwest play. Some of them are really bad.



I agree.  One of the biggest surprises I got was seeing some of these "D1" teams play.  I've seen some teams that were horrible and many of them are heavy on senior starters.  One can only imagine how poorly the freshman play who never see the field.  I can't imagine why anyone would not want these freshman play 18 gold.  Many of them will only get to play softball in the summer.  They need the work.
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In regards to this topic...I have been on both sides (had the young team and gotten beat and had the college studs and won).  What it comes down to is Gold Nationals is designed to be the best of the best.  If you have a 14yo stud that goes up against the 18yo college player stud and loses...so be it...that was your teams choice to play the young stud.  She could have been at 14,16,or 18A Nationals possibly dominating (she, her coach, her parents elected to play UP).  What I see are alot of are coaches/parents bringing young players up to Gold who are no where near ready (physically,athletically, emotionally) to handle the travel, speed or pressure of a top 10 Gold teams schedule...The parents want to say "my DD plays Gold", the coaches use the young stud to attract college coaches to their games and in the end at Gold Nationals MOST are exposed by a pitcher who is mature and has benefited from a year of college (weights, conditioning coaching)  I guess my point is ...don't complain if your young team gets beat by a more mature team...One day that young 14yo Stud will be 18 and have her chance to dominate at Gold Nationals.  This years winner in fact (Steph Brombacher) I believed has played Gold for about 5 years with different levels of success as she has matured!   

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Excellent point Krukman.  It was my DD who went 2 and out in her first Gold nationals as a 16 year old but it was also my DD who took out the Gold Coast Hurricanes after her freshman year in college while Brombacher and Missy Pena were pitching against her.  That was 3 years ago.  Stephanie has certainly seen both sides of that scenario.
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Softbbcoach,
I don't know where you live, but I have seen many many many Top Level Elite GOLD teams and not so top level D1 teams. Gold could beat them every time out. They could be very competitive with the better D1 teams too.
As for the coaches that are doing this professional, and the Gold coaches are not so that makes them better. That's a laugh. A lot of the best Gold coaches are better than the college coaches. Most of the college coaches learned how to play from these non profession Gold coaches. I have dealt with time and time again D1 coaches that were hired just because that used to be a player and the college does not have the budget to pay much. They are terrible, plain and simple. I think we have all seen really bad coaching even at the big conference schools (I won't throw any names out there). So to say just because the the travel coaches are not paid that the "Professional" college coaches are better is an insult! Gary Haning, Tony Rico, Marty Tyson, Marty Cooper, Bruce Richardson, Mel Sievers, Gary Wardin, Tommy Orndorff. Tommy Soleto, Mike Stith, Doug Myers, Larry Mays (I had to throw him in!) and I can go on all day. These coaches have given so much to these players and to say they aren't as good cause they aren't college coaches. Soo Funny.
My DD's gold team has played and beaten Women's Open teams that are all college players. Back after the 2000 Olympics, some of the Gold teams here in So Cal played the USA team and didn't do so bad. They may not have won, but they didn't get mercied.
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WOW! Found this on Spy...the times sure are a-changin'...& for the better it seems!  Others will follow I'm sure!

8/21 Major Change at TNJ tournament

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Written by Rayburn Hesse   
Thursday, 21 August 2008 08:27

MAJOR CHANGE AT TNJ

 

Team New Jersey’s  fall tournament is scheduled for October 10-11-12 at the Edison Softball Complex.  A list of teams and hotels will be up on the web site soon.

 

The major change will occur at TNJ’s well-attended summer classic, June 24-26.  Jim Barsalona says he will not permit “2008 college age players” and teams must bring a minimum of 6-7 uncommitted players.  We’ve asked Jim to define what is mean by a “college age player” – which conceivably could be a broader definition than a college enrolled player.

 

In this era of early verbals, having 6-7 uncommitted players could result in ever-younger rosters.

 

But, the combination of the two decisions reinforces the image of the TNJ summer classic as an explosure tournament – and is sure to please the many college coaches who keep TNJ high on their “must” list.

 

Jim Barsalona

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732-708-1877

http://www.teamNJsoftball.com

 

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Player NamePosition (primary/secondary)
Nicole Bobb(2010) Catcher / Outfield
Brittany Bowles(2008-UGA) Pitcher / Pitcher
Stephanie Brombacher(UF) Pitcher / 1st Base
Rachele Fico(2009-LSU) Pitcher / Pitcher
Ali Grant(2008-Michigan State)
2nd Base / Outfield
Lauren Heil(2008-UF)3rd Base / Shortstop
Kelsey Horton(2009-UF)Catcher / 1st Base
Shayla Jackson(2008-FSU)Outfield / Outfield
Allie Jest(2008-Kentucky)2nd Base / 3rd Base
Clara Kendall(2008-UVA)Shortstop / Infield
Amanda Lonergan(2008)Outfield / 1st Base
Evelyn Morgado(2010)Shortstop / 2nd Base
Ashley Razey(2008-Southern Miss)
Catcher / 1st Base
Hannah Rogers(2010)Pitcher / Pitcher
Mary Kate Smith(2008-Stanford)1st Base / Catcher
Tianna Strassner Center Field
Chelsey Trotto(2008-Stetson)Center Field / Shortstop
Cara Vitale(2009)1st Base / Catcher
Kylie Vry(2009)Pitcher / Pitcher
Natalie Land(2008-UCF)              2nd base

Kelley Smiley(IRCC)                     Right Field

Kayla Tatum (2008-Auburn)          1st base

Brooke Asher(2010)                       Catcher


I don't know how completely accurate this is. I took this from the Canada Cup roster, as well as Gold boxscores. A few girls I don't know their years or if they have committed somewhere.



























































I was wondering if any of the girls on the 18 Gold Hurricanes that won the National Championship in 2008 were on the Florida roster this year at the WCWS as ASU had several future players on the Gatti Hotshot Gold roster that year too including Dallas Escobedo, Katelyn Boyd, Talor Haro and Annie Lockwood.

Gatti's team had no college players that summer and went undefeated until Saturday when they lost to the Corona Angels vs. Aleah Macon who had just left Washington and then the ultimate winners the Gold Coast Hurricanes.  I don't remember who pitched that game, but Gattit's team went out two in a row finishing third at the tourney.  As with ASU, Dallas pitched every game, but just ran out of gas that summer. 

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Player NamePosition (primary/secondary)
Nicole Bobb(2010) Catcher / Outfield
Brittany Bowles(2008-UGA) Pitcher / Pitcher
Stephanie Brombacher(UF) Pitcher / 1st Base
Rachele Fico(2009-LSU) Pitcher / Pitcher
Ali Grant(2008-Michigan State)
2nd Base / Outfield
Lauren Heil(2008-UF)3rd Base / Shortstop
Kelsey Horton(2009-UF)Catcher / 1st Base
Shayla Jackson(2008-FSU)Outfield / Outfield
Allie Jest(2008-Kentucky)2nd Base / 3rd Base
Clara Kendall(2008-UVA)Shortstop / Infield
Amanda Lonergan(2008)Outfield / 1st Base
Evelyn Morgado(2010)Shortstop / 2nd Base
Ashley Razey(2008-Southern Miss)
Catcher / 1st Base
Hannah Rogers(2010)Pitcher / Pitcher
Mary Kate Smith(2008-Stanford)1st Base / Catcher
Tianna Strassner Center Field
Chelsey Trotto(2008-Stetson)Center Field / Shortstop
Cara Vitale(2009)1st Base / Catcher
Kylie Vry(2009)Pitcher / Pitcher
Natalie Land(2008-UCF)              2nd base

Kelley Smiley(IRCC)                     Right Field

Kayla Tatum (2008-Auburn)          1st base

Brooke Asher(2010)                       Catcher


I don't know how completely accurate this is. I took this from the Canada Cup roster, as well as Gold boxscores. A few girls I don't know their years or if they have committed somewhere.



























































I was wondering if any of the girls on the 18 Gold Hurricanes that won the National Championship in 2008 were on the Florida roster this year at the WCWS as ASU had several future players on the Gatti Hotshot Gold roster that year too including Dallas Escobedo, Katelyn Boyd, Talor Haro and Annie Lockwood.

Gatti's team had no college players that summer and went undefeated until Saturday when they lost to the Corona Angels vs. Aleah Macon who had just left Washington and then the ultimate winners the Gold Coast Hurricanes.  I don't remember who pitched that game, but Gattit's team went out two in a row finishing third at the tourney.  As with ASU, Dallas pitched every game, but just ran out of gas that summer. 

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