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Fpitch9

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Angels win. 2 out rbi single in the 7th gives them a 3-2 win. They scored single runs in the 5th, 6th and 7th.
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Final 2
California
Florida

Don't tell gomrpi about the California team. Texas has been out awhile and he is still grumpy. Oh an go aggies......

Texas
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ASUsun devils


ahahaa but it is only one team - What happened to your TOTAL DOMINATION!

didn't happen - get over it.
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Florida

Don't tell gomrpi about the California team. Texas has been out awhile and he is still grumpy. Oh an go aggies......

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Corona Angels pitcher Rebecca Arbino is going to Texas A&M, so that counts, right?
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Saturday
Game 119: Shamrocks over California Cruisers, 1-0 in 10 innings (California Cruisers ELIMINATED)
Game 120: So Cal Athletics over Washington Lady Hawks-D'Amico, 2-1 (Washington Lady Hawks-D'Amico ELIMINATDED)

Game 121: Corona Angels-Tyson over Shamrocks, 6-1 (Shamrocks ELIMINATED)
Game 122: So Cal Explosion over So Cal Athletics, 8-0 in 6 innings (So Cal Athletics ELIMINATED)

Game 123: Gold Coast Hurricanes over Arizona Hotshots-Gatti Gold, 3-0

Game 124: Corona Angels-Tyson over So Cal Explosion, 4-0 (So Cal Explosion ELIMINATED)

Game 125: Corona Angels-Tyson over Arizona Hotshots-Gatti Gold, 3-2 (Arizona Hotshots-Gatti Gold ELIMINATED)

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18U Gold National Championship

Corona Angels-Tyson (7-1)
W, 2-0 vs. Florida Gold
W, 2-1 vs. Oklahoma Babes Gold
W, 2-1 vs. OC Batbusters
W, 2-1 vs. East Cobb Bullets Gold
L, 1-0 vs. Gold Coast Hurricanes
W, 6-1 vs. Shamrocks
W, 4-0 vs. So Cal Explosion
W, 3-2 vs. Arizona Hotshots Gold-Gatti


Gold Coast Hurricanes (6-0)
W, 6-1 vs. Texas Express Gold
W, 1-0 vs. Omaha Quakes Gold
W, 3-0 vs. Georgia Elite
W, 4-1 vs. Washington Lady Hawks-D'Amico
W, 1-0 vs. Corona Angels-Tyson
W, 3-0 vs. Arizona Hotshots Gold-Gatti


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5-5 bot 7 in game 1. Hurricanes coming to bat. They left em loaded in the 6th.
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Hurricanes win, 6-5. Future Gator Kelsey Horton led off the 7th with a double. She moved to 3rd on a groundout by Stetson bound Chelsey Trotto. IRCC's Kelsey Smiley then drove a ball to 2b and Horton beat the throw home for the win. Fico got the win in relief of Brombacher. Way to go GCH.
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Congratulations to the Gold Coast Hurricanes 6-5 winners in the bottom of the 7th.

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Championship Sunday
Game 126: 11 AM: Gold Coast Hurricanes over Corona Angels-Tyson, 6-5 (Corona Angels-Tyson ELIMINATED)


The Gold Coast Hurricanes are the 2008 18U Gold National Champions!


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I asked an Explosion fan how they felt about the college players coming in and taking positions from kids that played all year.  He said that the 18 Gold Championship was not an exposure tournament.  My daughter was struggling with playing Gold again next summer because she didn't think it would be fair, but after being defeated by an SEC pitcher (Hurricanes/UF)) and a Pac 10 pitcher (Angels/Washington), the picture is clear, you cannot win without them.  The AZ Hotshots finished 3rd without college players, they have 8 seniors, who knows what could happen next year.

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All Gold coaches know there will be college players at Nationals. Most enjoy the competition and challenge instead of making excuses. Not all college players come back and take someone's position. We had one who did not beat out a 2009 player. Players earn their spots and keep them. No one takes a spot away. The majority of teams bring back players that have played for them before and the entire team knows in advance. The college player can help teach the girls what college life is about and help the team have success which helps them in the future. Performing against a college pitcher or player can help with a player's recruitment.

The Gold Coast Hurricanes are a class organization. They have worked hard to get where they are and they deserve to be recognized as the 2008 Gold National Champions. They did not go out and take some other team's players nor did they get hired guns, they built their team from within the organization and have players that have been with them a long time. Congratulations to the entire team and staff of Hurricanes. Job Well Done!!!!
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It was a Hurricane sweep today.  Congratulations to the GC Hurricanes and the SoCal Hurricanes!!! The SoCal Hurricanes won the Women's Open (Major) Nationals being the final undefeated team before the rains came and washed out the rest of the tournament.  GC Hurricanes have been on the brink for the last 3 years finally got over the final barrier.  Congrats to Marty on a great run (still have a warm spot for the Angels, the team that gave my kid a start in SoCal).

On the subject of college players in Gold, I have some mixed thoughts.  If you look at three of the four finalists over the last two years, there seems to be a theme, they all brought back one college player who pitches and hits.  Brombacher, Macon and Langenfeld.  They didn't bring back a lot of players from college who might disrupt the team chemistry. They brought back one critical kid who could definitely help the team. As Andy said they help teach the younger players how to react to difficult situations. They can speak to the players about college life in general. There are many reasons for having a college player come back that isn't limited to playing time.  From personal experience, that is exactly why my dd was invited back last year. 

I believe ASA needs to improve Women's Open.  At this point there is a huge disparity in the quality of play.  I believe they could combine 23u and Open because they compete for the same players.  This year, there was competition for players from Gold, 23u, Olympics and the Pro league. I am not sure what the solution is but I believe it should be looked at by more knowledgable people than myself. 

I did notice a higher number of college kids playing Gold this year.  I think the overall level of competition is better in Gold. Lets not forget that a college freshman is only one year older than a high school senior and they have played against each other their entire softball lives.  As you have seen, the Hot Shots competed very well without any college kids (3rd) and one of the pretournament favorites the Firecrackers who didn't have any college players. 

Sincerely,
Steve Langenfeld        

 
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Is there a roster for the Hurricanes for the gold national's?  Curious to see who they have.

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Player Name Position (primary/secondary)
Nicole Bobb(2010) Catcher / Outfield
Brittany Bowles(2008-UGA) Pitcher / Pitcher
Stephanie Brombacher(UF) Pitcher / 1st Base
Rachele Fico(2009-LSU) Pitcher / Pitcher
Ali Grant(2008-Michigan State)
2nd Base / Outfield
Lauren Heil(2008-UF) 3rd Base / Shortstop
Kelsey Horton(2009-UF) Catcher / 1st Base
Shayla Jackson(2008-FSU) Outfield / Outfield
Allie Jest(2008-Kentucky) 2nd Base / 3rd Base
Clara Kendall(2008-UVA) Shortstop / Infield
Amanda Lonergan(2008) Outfield / 1st Base
Evelyn Morgado(2010) Shortstop / 2nd Base
Ashley Razey(2008-Southern Miss)
Catcher / 1st Base
Hannah Rogers(2010) Pitcher / Pitcher
Mary Kate Smith(2008-Stanford) 1st Base / Catcher
Tianna Strassner Center Field
Chelsey Trotto(2008-Stetson) Center Field / Shortstop
Cara Vitale(2009) 1st Base / Catcher
Kylie Vry(2009) Pitcher / Pitcher
Natalie Land(2008-UCF)              2nd base

Kelley Smiley(IRCC)                     Right Field

Kayla Tatum (2008-Auburn)          1st base

Brooke Asher(2010)                       Catcher


I don't know how completely accurate this is. I took this from the Canada Cup roster, as well as Gold boxscores. A few girls I don't know their years or if they have committed somewhere.



























































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I am going to have to agree college players really should not play 18U against younger players. By letting them do so they are hurting womens open and womens A and 23U. If I was a pitcher I certainly would not want to come back down and play high school kids. I would be trying for a spot on the Brakettes or other team that had all college players on it so I could get better. They say Womans ASA lacks the intensity of gold. Bringing in the younger college players will help that. Fico ,the Hurricanes pitcher also plays for the Brakettes. Now heres a kid who knows how to get better , by playing up.



There are a few misconceptions in your thinking about Women's Open level.

1. Very few Women's Open team are all college players.  Many of them have a minority of college players.

2. No one said that Women's Open level lacks intensity of play.  What it has is a much more relaxed atmosphere.  And, that's one of the major reasons that makes it attractive.  You can leave the win-at-all-cost, yell at the umpires, kind of play at 18 Gold.  Women's Open is about maturity.

3. Many already play Women's Open after their college freshman year.  A lot of girls are just too old to play 18u.  The few extra college freshman that would come up to Women's Open wouldn't change much.  They'd probably be riding the pine a couple of years anyway.  Playing on a team with a number of All Americans and college career home run leaders for their respective schools will humble a college freshman.
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Not making excuses, just an observation.  The Washington pitcher was one of the only pitchers to defeat ASU last year.  I felt the Hotshots competed well against her and that is a testament to the team.  We could not hit when we needed to and made a couple of small errors that wound up costing us in the Corona game.

If you would have told me that our kids would have finished 3rd in this tourney before we left I would have laughed.  Dallas Escobedo kept us in the tourney all week and Brigette DelPonte and Kate Boyd's hitting came at times when we needed it most.  I'm proud of our kids and am taking nothing away from the Hurricanes or the Angels.  They did a great job. 

I sat next to a parent early in the tournament who was complaining that the left fielder on their team was playing instead of her dd.  Two colleges were there to watch her play.  She was very frustrated, especially when the girl made a couple of errors.  You can guess her response..."my kid can do that badly".  The Wichita Mustangs coach told me in Pennsylvania that he can't compete without the college kids on his roster as his area is so small.  They didn't qualify, but not for lack of trying.  I think they competed in at least 3 if not 4 qualifiers.  As stated in my last post, I was told this tourney is not a recruiting tourney...it's all about winning. 

Mandy Urfer (ASU) on Explosion nearly ended our run in the winner's bracket.  She was amazing both offensively and defensively with three powerful hits (two hits as one was scored an error...but the ball was literally smoked...that kid is powerful).  Explosion changed pitchers early in the 7th and that changed the game.  Hotshots scored 4 runs on DelPontes' bases loaded triple and an rbi single by Lockwood. 

This was my dd's first 18 Gold tourney and unless she comes back to play after her freshman year of college it was her last.  I think the experience was one that she will look back on later and realize what a feat it was to finish in the top 3.  Congrats to the Hurricanes and the Angels.  You played great.
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There is definitely the argument to be made for and against college players returning after their freshman seasons...and to be honest I can see both sides of the coin.

My personal (unsolicited) opinion is that ASA is set up with age specific guidelines...not grade specific...and until they make it something besides age specific then those players should be allowed to come back.

With a couple big caveats...(1) returning college freshmen can ONLY play for the team that they were last registered on the previous year and (2) returning college freshmen CANNOT be pickup players...

If little Sally has grown up and played with a core group of friends for multiple years and is the same "age" as them but not in the same "grade" then I feel that she should have the chance to compete one last time with her friends on HER team...what I dont like seeing is the hired guns that are persuaded into playing on teams that they have little or no history with.

Is this the end all, be all solution for this?  No, of course not...but I think it would solve some of the frustrations that you hear about now.

Just my two cents...
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Well, when ASA toyed with "the age specific guidelines" a few years back they actually screwed up a lot of things. A lot of schools have an age cutoff , depending on the state, of about the first of September. That means , kids born in September, October , November and December cannot return and play on their former 18U Gold team. ( Not that they should anyway) I still think if the 300 (+-) college players were not allowed to return to Gold , like their fall born teamates, more 23U teams would materialize in organizations and 23U would be and could be a viable option for skill development for the college freshman or sophomore. It also would leave high school kids playing against high school kids, more teams would not be shut out of playing in 18U gold nationals, and many others would be given an opportunity to show their stuff at nationals instead of being shoved on a bench at national time only to be replaced by some pick up college stud.

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The problem with getting 23&U to grow is who pays for it? Most teams are funded by the parents on that team. Once their DD heads off to college there is not as much incentive for them to want to fund her summer team. Funding a complete team is more difficult then sharing in costs of an established team.
Returning players come back to a team that is established intact and has uniforms, paid for team expenses and has had fund raisers. They simply need to cover their individual share.

It is also easier to go back to a team you know the coaches and players then to a new team and staff. Until ASA decides to exclude college players at 18&U, 23&U will not be a viable entity.
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The problem with getting 23&U to grow is who pays for it? Most teams are funded by the parents on that team. Once their DD heads off to college there is not as much incentive for them to want to fund her summer team. Funding a complete team is more difficult then sharing in costs of an established team.
Returning players come back to a team that is established intact and has uniforms, paid for team expenses and has had fund raisers. They simply need to cover their individual share.

It is also easier to go back to a team you know the coaches and players then to a new team and staff. Until ASA decides to exclude college players at 18&U, 23&U will not be a viable entity.


Bingo!  The reason that parents will pony up money for a Gold team is with the hopes of getting a big dollar scholarship for college.  And, once they get that scholarship they'll pay for one or more year out of loyalty.

At 23u there's no scholarship to be won or any loyalty to be shown.  No incentive.  And, if their daughter didn't get a full scholarship they're realizing big deficits in their wallet to pay for the difference.

That's why Women's Open does so well here in So. Cal.  It costs $100 per summer and there are no hotel costs.  Lots of fun, lots of competition and a place to play after college.  (Nationals cost extra for those who go.)
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I have a question for those who think the rule should be changed to only allow the college girls to return to the same team they previously played on and not pick-up.  What if their team no longer exists?

Personlly, IMO, I am all for letting all the college kids play for whoever they choose.  Playing against the best players in the country only helps prepare our kids for the next level and our kids who are young enough to come back and play after one year in college are able to maintain their development for their Soph year. 





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As stated right here on UCS, Women's A/Majors & 23U need to merge to become the strongest division it can be for the college players, the game & so this Nationals will have more than 6 or 10 teams in it.  Now having said that, the Gold Coast Hurricanes (& ALMOST all Gold teams) have shown that they could only win rostering a college soph, pitcher Stef Brombacher, forcing all Gold 18U to continue bringing in the college players to compete too...or lose?

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College players have been playing 18U for years. Seems like a lot more complaining this year because a Florida team won. Hmm. I don't recall many complainers last year when the Firecrackers, with a college pitcher, won.
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The problem with getting 23&U to grow is who pays for it? Most teams are funded by the parents on that team. Once their DD heads off to college there is not as much incentive for them to want to fund her summer team. Funding a complete team is more difficult then sharing in costs of an established team.
Returning players come back to a team that is established intact and has uniforms, paid for team expenses and has had fund raisers. They simply need to cover their individual share.

It is also easier to go back to a team you know the coaches and players then to a new team and staff. Until ASA decides to exclude college players at 18&U, 23&U will not be a viable entity.

I have a question, somewhat related : Arent the Cruisers having a 23U team next year?( Or is it a Womans major or A team? ) I have no idea where I got that from. Maybe I read it on this site or I just heard someone talking about it.  I am just asking out of curiosity. If they are that is great. A step in the right direction.

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College players have been playing 18U for years. Seems like a lot more complaining this year because a Florida team won. Hmm. I don't recall many complainers last year when the Firecrackers, with a college pitcher, won.

That has nothing to do with it. More and more and more college players are coming back. Three years ago it was almost unheard of. When they changed the pitching distance to 43' in gold , it opened the door for a few. This year we saw more college players than ever before. Next year we will see even more.

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One easy way to solve this College player nemesis is to forbid College players to play in U18.
But the problem might be that then the level of play in U18 might drop and less interest will be shown to the league.
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College players have been playing 18U for years. Seems like a lot more complaining this year because a Florida team won. Hmm. I don't recall many complainers last year when the Firecrackers, with a college pitcher, won.

That has nothing to do with it. More and more and more college players are coming back. Three years ago it was almost unheard of. When they changed the pitching distance to 43' in gold , it opened the door for a few. This year we saw more college players than ever before. Next year we will see even more.



Four years ago when my daughter played Gold it was very common.  In fact, there were three college players on her team.
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Cruisers will have a woman's team next year. May be 23&U ,may be Open. Gathering info before it is decided. Reason we will is we found a staff willing to coach it and found some limited funding for it.
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Less interest without college players in 18U , no way. What you will see is more teams that could not get into gold this year will be able to get in. You will see more committed high school players opting to play college players in womans ASA. You probably will even see more college coaches at 18U Gold as more uncommitted players will be there. You will see a more even distribution of kids in 18U Gold and woman's ASA than you have now

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