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justadad

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You just can't trust the score keeping!  Dallas and Kenzi may have pitched in every game because they both can hit.  If they are listed as the DP, there is a definite chance it is messed up scoring.

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Gotta root for my home town KC Peppers.  They are guaranteed their highest finish ever at Gold Nationals.  Coach Dan Eakin has a lot to be proud about.  Pepper's success and only TB coach (I think) to have three of his former players named DI national players of the week in 2008.....Tonya Callahan, Lauren Delaney, and some person named Val Chapple
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Must be the global warming effect.  We (in Kansas) can practice more in the winter months to keep pace with So Cal, AZ and TX.

Even without any beaches, Kansas can compete at the highest level! lol

Congratulations to the Peppers.
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The KC Peppers are not only a great team on the field, they also have great coaches and great parents & treat their opponents with respect.  Very respectable on and off the field and a Class Act.  More teams should try to represent their team like they do with respect and class, I know we sure do.  Thanks to the Peppers for leading by example.  We look forward to playing you again sometime.


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Jazz54

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Firecrackers out. Sorcecers 9-7

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Is there something wrong with Kenzie? She didnt pitch the 2 games they lost and Thunder is now eliminated.
 
Firecrackers are out. They were a favorite to win again. Now looks like Marty might take the championship. First of gold for him. Long over due too.
 
OC Batbusters vs. Choppers = remake of semi-final game last year. Should prove interesting with the young talent of the Choppers versus the "experienced" players for Batbusters i.e. the almost entire field of college players. It looks like a Freshman College All-Star team rather than a 18Gold team.
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My opinion of the Babes had nothing to do with the outcome of the game. They had one of the most loaded teams in the tournament.

I would have to say right now the Gold Coast Hurricanes or Corona Angles are the most likely to win now. I would have predicted the Worth Firecrackers to win the tournament. They just had so much talent, and plus they beat the Angels and several other great teams in the California qualifiers. The Angels have a had tough road to get where they are. They had to beat basically a college team in the Cruisers, a Babes team that really put in on the Firecrackers, and Florida Gold. I am pulling for them. Another team to look out for is the Explosion. They really hit Keilani Ricketts hard yesterday. She only lasted 1 inning giving up 6 runs.

The Desert Thunder didn't start Kenzie Fowler on the 1st day, which was huge mistake. They got knocked to the losers bracket. It was going to be a long/ tough draw for the Thunder to make it back. I was pulling for the Thunder b/c of what Kenzie had been through.

It was weird seeing the Cruisers, Firecrackers, Sorcerer's Gold, Thunder, and Shamrocks in the loser bracket. There is only two team in the Winner's bracket who I thought might make it through. The others were unexpected.

Note in the Firecrackers game, Jessica Shults hit a home run to CF. It was bomb. Arriola came close.
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So Cal Choppers out. Batbusters 6-2

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GC Hurricanes win 4-1 over the Lady Hawks. Brombacher followed up her no hitter with a 1 hitter in 6 innings of work. Fico relieved her and gave up a run in the 7th. At least that is what Gametracker says. GC faces the Angels-Bullets winner later today.

Explosion beat the Peppers 6-1. Big blow was Megan Bush's 3 run shot in a 5 run 3rd inning. They'll face the Hotshots next

Hotshots beat the Vipers 3-1

Angels lead the Bullets 2-1 in the 6th

Fpitch9

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Shamrocks just eliminated the Batbusters, 2-1 in 8 innings.
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Of the last 12 teams, 4 are from California and 8 are outside the Golden State.

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So that's one college pitcher out. Or at least the "big" names that I've heard are playing in OKC. Donna Kerr is out of the tournament along with her fellow soon-to-be-sophomores. Though she didn't take the loss. Was Gametracker wrong or did Jessica Spigner really start that game?

Other Freshman Pitchers still in the tournament include Stephanie Brombacher from Florida with the Hurricanes and Aleah Macon from Washington with Angels. Huh... wonder why they're still in the winner's bracket? Explosion still in the winner's bracket has Megan Bush from Florida as well. These college players look like they're making an impact. Although the entire team full of them didn't make it as far as usual...
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Top 10 players I have been most impressed with in no particular order.

1. Kenzie Fowler
2. Dallas Escobedo
3. Jamia Reid
4. Jessica Shults
5. Aleah Macon
6. Teagen Gerhardt
7. Stephanie Brombacher
8. Hillary Bach
9. Becca Tikey
10. Bridgette DelPointe.

I wish I could have seen the ball Spigner hit.
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GC Hurricanes get a 1-0 win over Corona Angels. Brombacher pitched a 3 hit shutout, striking out 9. Future Gator Kelsey Horton drove in the only run in the 6th. Got to watch this one online, Brombacher looked really good.


Hotshots beat the Explosion 4-1, so they'll face the Hurricanes tomorrow as the last 2 undefeated teams left.

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Firecrackers out. Sorcecers 9-7



What the? I get back from vacation to see the firecrackers are already out I have to show love to the local team, especially with 4 Cal-bound girls on the team but geeze... what a shocker... first winning boulder and now this.

Good luck Sorcerers

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Who knocked out the Choppers? Another Calfornia team. Who knocked out the Firecrackers? Another California team. Who knocked out the Diamonds? Another California team. Who knocked out the Grapettes? Another California team. Who put the Batbusters in the loser's bracket? Another California Team.

It's sure fun to travel all the way to OKC to play teams from your back yard. I guess that's why there are four California teams left.

 
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Who knocked out the Breeze?  A Texas team.  Who knocked out Cal Lite?  Another Texas team.  Who knocked out the Panthers?  A New Jersey team.  Who knocked out one Angel team?  A Virginia team.  Who knocked out the Sharks?  The same Virginia team.  Who knocked out the Batbusters?  The Virginia team again.  Who knocked out the Breakers?  A Texas team.  Who knocked out the Pumas?  A Maryland team.

So what's your point?  (ha,ha)  Just teasing, but the gap is closing.  Come on.  Admit it.
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tell me it isn't so... there are only two undefeated teams left and neither of htem are from California - the mecca of softball...


oh woe is us for we have fallen mighty...

gee must have been all those Cali teams knocking out all those other Cali teams!

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Loser bracket games:

WA Lady Hawks 4, Texas Impact 3(Texas Impact eliminated)
Shamrocks 9, Atlanta Vipers 0(Vipers eliminated)
CA Cruisers 2, KC Peppers 0(Peppers eliminated)
SoCal Athletics 5, East Cobb Bullets 3(East Cobb eliminated)

Saturday schedule:
Gm 119: Shamrocks vs. Cruisers
Gm 120: WA Lady Hawks vs. So Cal Athletics
Gm 121: Shamrocks/Cruisers winner vs. Corona Angels
Gm 122: Lady Hawks/Athletics winner vs. SoCal Explosion
Gm 123: Gold Coast Hurricanes vs. Arizona Hotshots
Gm 124: Game 121 winner vs. Game 122 winner
Gm 125: Game 124 winner vs. Game 123 loser

Andy

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Crusiers have only one college player aand are not "basically a college team in the Cruisers, " as someone said. And our 2010 pitcher CeCe Luster and 2009 Kim Bruins, probably have as many innings pitched


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Friday
Game 100: So Cal Athletics over Omaha Quakes Gold, 2-1 (Omaha Quakes Gold ELIMINATED)
Game 99: Sorcerer Gold-Phil over Worth Firecrackers, 9-7 (Defending Champions Worth Firecrackers ELIMINATED)
Game 98: Texas Impact Gold over San Jose Sting-Perales, 2-1 (San Jose Sting-Perales ELIMINATED)
Game 97: Valley Breeze over So Cal Diamonds, 1-0 (So Cal Diamonds ELIMINATED)
Game 104: Georgia Elite over Northwest Bullets Gold, 4-3 (Northwest Bullets Gold ELIMINATED)
Game 103: California Cruisers over Wagner's Gold, 6-1 (Wagner's Gold ELIMINATED)
Game 102: OC Batbusters over So Cal Choppers, 6-2 (So Cal Choppers ELIMINATED)
Game 101: Shamrocks over Minnesota Irish, 4-1 (Minnesota Irish ELIMINATED)

Game 105: So Cal Explosion over KC Peppers, 6-1
Game 106: Arizona Hotshots Gold-Gatti over Atlanta Vipers-Vallery, 3-1
Game 107: Corona Angels-Tyson over East Cobb Bullets Gold, 2-1
Game 108: Gold Coast Hurricanes over Washington Lady Hawks-D'Amico, 4-1

Game 109: California Cruisers over Georgia Elite, 6-2 (Georgia Elite ELIMINATED)
Game 110: Shamrocks over OC Batbusters, 2-1 (Defending Runners-Up OC Batbusters ELIMINATED)
Game 111: So Cal Athletics over Sorcerer Gold-Phil, 5-2 (Sorcerer Gold-Phil ELIMINATED)
Game 112: Texas Impact Gold over Valley Breeze, 1-0 (Valley Breeze ELIMINATED)

Game 117: Arizona Hotshots Gold-Gatti over So Cal Explosion, 4-1
Game 118: Gold Coast Hurricanes over Corona Angels-Tyson, 1-0

Game 113: California Cruisers over KC Peppers, 2-0 (KC Peppers ELIMINATED)
Game 114: Shamrocks over Atlanta Vipers-Vallery, 9-0 in 6 innings (Atlanta Vipers-Vallery ELIMINATED)
Game 115: So Cal Athletics over East Cobb Bullets Gold, 3-2 in 8 innings (East Cobb Bullets Gold ELIMINATED)
Game 116: Washington Lady Hawks-D'Amico over Texas Impact Gold, 4-3 (Texas Impact ELIMINATED)


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Shamrocks 1, Cruisers 0 (final in 10; Cruisers eliminated)
SoCal Athletics 2, WA Lady Hawks 1(Lady Hawks eliminated)

Shamrocks lead the Angels 1-0 in the 3rd
Explosion lead the Athletics 1-0 in the 3rd.

Jazz54

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Athletics and Shamrocks out
Angels vs Explosion next
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Originally Posted by Seabiscuit
ProudDad said: "Uh huh and Nuveman looked like a freshman college player when she was 23 after two red shirt years and after playing on the National Team! Kind of like a second year 14u player playing against a 19 year old college freshman."

Well, considering that there are around 4,000 or so college freshman softball players every year and only a handful would ever even come close to looking like Nuveman I'll have to respectfully disagree.

PD added: "I would rather see college players playing in the women's division rather than beating up on players trying to get a scholarship. Of course that's a horse of a different color Seabiscuit!"

That's a sad state of affairs.  For about 3,500 of those 4,000 freshman there's probably not a woman's open team within 500 miles while there's probably an 18u team within 50 miles.   You would presume, that in these days of of high travel costs, with 90% of these freshman not getting a full ride, the budgets of these families of these girls should be stressed even more.


If you add those 3500 or 4000 players there would be a lot more players therefore more teams.

The vast majority of these girls will never play summer fastpitch after their sophomore year and they'll be relegated to playing beer league softball to keep in shape for their college teams once they turn 19.  Why spoil that one last shot at getting their skills up?

Why spoil the opportunity for the sophomore or junior in high school trying to be seen. These players are already in college. They can have the same or even better competition in women's open.



I think it would be a huge mistake to ban college kids from playing 18u, most of them desperately need the work. Just because a few gold teams stock up with ringers the other 3,500 shouldn't be punished.


I disagree. It would not be a mistake it would help the other level grow. No one would be punished and more than a few gold teams have college players. If you are in college you should not play down........


PD,

2 more cents on this subject.  I agree with you that Womens Open is probably better talent overall.  However, there are fewer weekends of play (5 this summer excluding nationals) and the amount of reps are much lower.  There were some games this summer where my daughter only got one at-bat in a game because they had 17 in the lineup. 

I saw something new this summer, or maybe I hadn't noticed it before.  There were girls right out of high school skipping 18Gold before starting their freshman year in college.  One of the girls we knew so I asked her mom what was up.  She said it was just too costly to play Gold any more and this was just as good.  They were done with the rat-race of gold.

However, there are a lot of places in the county that don't offer Women's Open during the summer.  What are those kids to do?

You may have not experienced some of the low-major competition since your daughter didn't play them.  But, believe me, there are a lot of D1 teams out there where the freshman really need the work.  Playing 18u when possible is a great experience.

Here's another thought.  When my daughter started her first Gold team she wasn't convinced that she could play in college.  Fortunately, the summer after her junior year she had a returning college freshman on the team who was a D2 All American, Vanessa Rodrigue, who convinced her when no one else could, that she was good enough to play in college.  Without this college freshman playing on my daughter's gold team, I wouldn't be here typing this today.
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UCF bound Natalie Land 2 run hr puts GC up 2-0 thru 2 on the Hotshots. Kelley Smiley leads off the 3rd with a solo hr to make it 3-0. I believe she attends Indian River CC.  UVA is getting a good in Clara Kendall. I've been impressed with her.
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Hurricanes win 3-0, they'll play in the finals. Brombacher 3 hitter. Escobedo allowed 4 hits, but 2 were long balls. Hotshots await the Explosion-Angels winner.
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2 more cents on this subject.  I agree with you that Womens Open is probably better talent overall.  However, there are fewer weekends of play (5 this summer excluding nationals) and the amount of reps are much lower.  There were some games this summer where my daughter only got one at-bat in a game because they had 17 in the lineup. 

They would play more if there were more teams. That would solve your on at bat issue and with more teams there could be more games scheduled just like in Gold.


This makes no sense to me.  They played 5 games each weekend.  That's plenty.  There are 12 teams in the league, that seems plenty also.

If you're thinking it's because they carry 18 on the roster, well that's not it at all.  There were some games when we had only 9 players.

It's the nature of Women's Open.  Some players come and play only one of three games on a given day because they have to work.  Or they have a baby shower to attend.  Or they're going to the Dodger game to attend. So, if you don't carry enough players you may have to forfeit a game.  When they all do show up, as did happen occasionally, batting 18 around can be a drag. 

There are a couple of teams in the Women's Open league in So. Cal that seem to only have college players, no grannies on the team.  Some of them only have 9 or 10 players, also.  From watching these teams I believe that it's because none of them want to be around their coaching staff after they no longer have to play to stay in shape. 

Players that want to play more can.  During the weekend, they just go over to short-handed teams and put on their jersey.  One of our players played 10 games on a weekend, one of them against us.  Whew!



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Future Aggie Rebecca Arbino 2 hits the Explosion, as the Angels win 4-0. They'll face the Hotshots later, winner will have to beat GC twice tomorrow.
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I don't think College Players should be allowed to play in this tournament. Pitchers like Brombacher have an added advantage.
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I don't know....I kinda like having to compete against the best and getting the girls more ready for college....but that's just my opinion which doesn't count for much LOL.

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Our team was probably one of the younger ones in Womens Open this year. Thirteen of my seventeen rostered players could of still played 18u this summer.

I had an 18u team for the past five years that was mostly built around 2008 grads ( most of which had played for me for at least four years).  The problem became this summer that those 2008 grads didn't want to pay for Vegas, Colorado and had graduation trips planned througthout tournaments the rest of the summer.  It wasn't fair to the younger kids (2009 and 2010 grads) so we opted to let the younger ones find new teams and move the 08's to Womens Open.

They all enjoyed womens open this summer. They were excited playing against girls they had previously watched the last few years in college and they enjoyed playing a lighter schedule ( while being able to stay in shape) since they are all leaving for college this month.

While I think it should be an individual choice, I don't understand what advantage it is for college freshman to go back to 18u.
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