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woody

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After deporting illegals, we could then focus our efforts on identifying and correcting problems within our own society as opposed to funding the economy of a neighboring country. Maybe we could better help our nations mentally ill. Maybe our Veterans could obtain the HC services they were promised. Maybe we can figure out why a portion of our population has failed to and are not required to participate in our workforce for the past 50 years. How about allowing States the power to run their own school systems without Federal directives, or Federal taxation and redistribution of educational funds?
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My point is privately held businesses don't have a publicly-traded stock price to worry about or distract them. Founders are intimately familiar with its operations and make their decisions based on that instead of abstractly looking at numbers like beancounters do. The great ones are focused on growing their business while managing their costs instead of just cutting costs.
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It depends on the company structure I would guess. Example, small time programmer creates an app, and tries to market it and raise capital in hopes of going public and increasing the value of an IPO.

Example 2. Small company, Auto shop that has done well and opens a couple of new locations. Owner is struggling with the added costs and logistics, but is succeeding in making the two new locations profitable, hiring qualified Techs, and getting good repeat business. Five years down the road, the owner has made a large sum, and receives an offer from a national chain to buy him out. He does so, and new management takes over. I can assure you that the new corporate managers first task will be to cut costs. Even if the company was being run like a well oiled machine, the new managers job requires that he reduce costs. Lay off the high paid techs, promote the less qualified Techs, and replace them with even less qualified and cheaper Techs. Reduce parts inventories and supplies, and slash all overhead expenses such as maintenance. Next gradually increase the cost of services and repairs to customers to generate more quarterly income.

What an individual owner took the time to build and nurture, is quickly turned into a less than average repair shop with bad Techs, Higher prices, and bad word of mouth in a 1 year span.

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I think example #2 is very applicable to the wage discussion and my point about privately held businesses. The app developer example certainly exists, however that's more about cashing in on a proprietary product than running/growing a business. FTR, most of them are acquired by the big boys without going public.
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Here is my retort on minimum wage. I busted my ass to build a company. I do everything. Six employees. No book keeper, nobody else in the office doing bids, material procurement, paying invoices, doing vehicle maintenance, and doing load analysis besides me. Now some bean counter sitting in a government paid position (F'ing Dewey Pajama Boy), who has no stake in my company is going to tell me what my employees are worth? I call major F'ing Bill Smith. Number one, it's none of their F'ing Dewey business what I pay a grown man to do the work I assign him. If they want to flip burgers, and b*tch about their career, F them, let them go march alongside the Socialists Illegal Aliens that make up most of the SEIU and B8tch about their illegal minimum wage jobs. Number two, I pay my employees wages commensurate with their skill level and above minimum wage by 40%. If you are green, and ignorant of the work, you make low wages. If you bust your ass and show me something, you get fast tracked, and make more money. I take 10% of all profits off of each job, and distribute them to each employee based on their worth to each project. If you want to climb the ladder, take a step up, and don't be afraid to fall. If you just want to show up and draw your paycheck, you won't be around here long. I do this for a living, not for your feelings, or emotions, let alone what some Pr*ck sitting in a government cubicle backing the Democrat Socialist Party thinks.
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woody

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I will say this again. If you Socialist think that every small business owner, and there are a huge amount, will stand by and let you ruin our hard won success, you are sadly mistaken. You are the slag of the business structure. A mole that is irritating under the polo shirt collar, and will be frozen off. We don't need Socialists, but you desperately need us. Now go to your Bernie rally, and rail against the very people that give you your rent check, or attempt to take us over by regulation, and watch your paycheck disappear. Your check in the mail will be removed by your Socialists Slave Masters, and you will be living in public housing or a FEMA camp forever, while we, and your Socialists Masters we own, live very good lives.
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"IT'S GOOD TO BE DA KING"
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Thank you for clearing that up for me. I can see clearly now the fog is gone, I agree 100% that a business owner should pay what the market will bear and what the employee brings to the table.
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ForeverInBlue

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Beyoncé 's clothing line is made in sweatshops in Sri Lanka.

Libs are cool with this, you see, she's helping the poor by giving them jobs. !!

[crazy] truly psychotic hypocrites.
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What should minimum wage be for a robot?  A classic case of "be careful what you ask for".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/building-robot-mcdonalds-staff-cheaper-8044106

keepinitreal

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Red Robin eliminates busboys because why?  Rising Labor costs


ANOTHER MINIMUM WAGE FAIL: Red Robin Restaurants Eliminate All Busboys

EX:

The Colorado-based chain, whose outlets are found primarily in western states, already eliminated expediters, who take the food from the cooks and place it on plates for the servers; that saved the company almost $10 million last year.


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mikec

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Quote:
Originally Posted by woody
Here is my retort on minimum wage. I busted my ass to build a company. I do everything. Six employees. No book keeper, nobody else in the office doing bids, material procurement, paying invoices, doing vehicle maintenance, and doing load analysis besides me. Now some bean counter sitting in a government paid position (F'ing Dewey Pajama Boy), who has no stake in my company is going to tell me what my employees are worth? I call major F'ing Bill Smith. Number one, it's none of their F'ing Dewey business what I pay a grown man to do the work I assign him. If they want to flip burgers, and b*tch about their career, F them, let them go march alongside the Socialists Illegal Aliens that make up most of the SEIU and B8tch about their illegal minimum wage jobs. Number two, I pay my employees wages commensurate with their skill level and above minimum wage by 40%. If you are green, and ignorant of the work, you make low wages. If you bust your ass and show me something, you get fast tracked, and make more money. I take 10% of all profits off of each job, and distribute them to each employee based on their worth to each project. If you want to climb the ladder, take a step up, and don't be afraid to fall. If you just want to show up and draw your paycheck, you won't be around here long. I do this for a living, not for your feelings, or emotions, let alone what some Pr*ck sitting in a government cubicle backing the Democrat Socialist Party thinks.


This is a great post.

I worked for a guy a long time ago that told me "indentured servitude ended in the country a long time ago".

The context was that I had a subordinate who wanted a big raise.  I went to the company owner to talk about, supporting a raise, but smaller.

He agreed with me, and I said I would present it to the guy.  I also told him we may lose the guy if we don't meet his demands. 

He told me the above, and added "in our country, everyone is free to seek their own way.  We don't own this guy - if he doesn't like our terms, he is absolutely free to seek to better himself elsewhere."

The owner didn't have any malice towards the guy - he was just stating a fact.

He, and you, are exactly correct, and I think libs forget that all the time.  If I pay someone $10/hr, and they want to make $20/hr, then they are free to seek that wage somewhere else.
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